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Old 07-05-2006, 12:05 PM   #16
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You see you basically answered your own question of why he failed. You cant get rid of a player as good as Artest and make the team better. There are about 5-10 guys in the entire league that you can even hold ground on when its Artest, nevermind get better. That is where they went wrong. Nevermind when you basically engineer a complete devaluation of him and then trade him. Basically Indiana royally ****ed themselves. They made Artest seem like a complete cancer for saying something that pretty much every player has said at one point. They made the situation and burnt themselves, cant feel sorry for that to be honest.

They made Artest a villian basically and then put him on the shelf, they put him past his used by date so to speak. Either stick with and by him(which they should have done, especially after he apoligized) or trade him when that suspension happened(as big a joke as it was). Badly handled.


I think Artest is really to blame for the mess in Indiana. He made himself into a villian by going into the stands and punching dudes in the mouth (granted, I cant say I wouldnt do the same thing and I believe the fans involved deserved what they got).......He continued the shenanigans when he returned.. I agree that maybe Bird and co. jumped the gun, but i can hardly blame them. Artest's teammates were ready for him to play elsewhere as well as the coaching staff.... after he came back and kept acting up, he forced the Pacer's hand.

My original post was more a statment than a question......Possibly Bird could have gotten better than Peja, but I can see what he was trying to accomplish...It just backfired....

I think the Pacers tried pretty hard not to villify Artest..they stuck by him for a long while....but he wouldnt stop the madness...Ron Artest is a fantastic player, but I'd be worried about his mental state daily if I was the GM/Owner/Coach/Teammate of his.
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Old 07-05-2006, 12:08 PM   #17
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They made Artest seem like a complete cancer for saying something that pretty much every player has said at one point. They made the situation and burnt themselves, cant feel sorry for that to be honest.

They made Artest a villian basically and then put him on the shelf, they put him past his used by date so to speak. Either stick with and by him(which they should have done, especially after he apoligized) or trade him when that suspension happened(as big a joke as it was). Badly handled.

co-signed. Indy has really fallen off since Bird was given Walsh's keys.
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Old 07-05-2006, 02:09 PM   #18
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They got Peja for half a season is what they got.
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Old 07-05-2006, 02:22 PM   #19
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co-signed. Indy has really fallen off since Bird was given Walsh's keys.

I never understood why Donnie Walsh, easy one of the top 5 GM's in the game, relinquished even a small bit of his personnel power.
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Old 07-05-2006, 02:25 PM   #20
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Pacers are in a hole now. They should just trade Jermaine for some young guys and an expiring contract so they can rebuild. Pistons dont have it as bad as Pacers as some might be saying.

trade their only bonafide all-star and low post threat, huh? yeah right. as of right now, o'neal is their only ticket to a decent season cause anthony johnson can't carry the team on his back alone.

rebuilding a team is an easy way out and is a move made all too often now in the league. what does rebuilding say for the coaching staff? i believe a coach is there to make the most out of the team that he has and swapping players out every year is not the answer.

as for the peja deal, i really believe bird thought he would re-sign and play again. i wasn't too impressed with his game anyway so i say good riddance. 3pt shooters are a dime a dozen.

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Old 07-05-2006, 02:34 PM   #21
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Keep JO. He's one of the best bigs in the NBA. And nowadays, effective bigs are hard to come by.

Ron Artest needed to go. After the Pacers stood by this cat through all the hard times, and he acts a fool and demands a trade.
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Old 07-05-2006, 02:39 PM   #22
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Shawne Williams? Stupid, stupid selection.


hey dont redicule larry hes a gr8 GM...last year he got granger this yr williams
i know williams is a freshman, but hey i mean....in 4 or 5 yrs the knicks will be sayin why didnt we take Williams, we got balkman haha lol
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Old 07-05-2006, 02:41 PM   #23
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Peja was about 10X better than the second best player they could have gotten for Artest. Pity they couldn't resign him.
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Old 07-05-2006, 02:47 PM   #24
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10 x better than Maggette?
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Old 07-05-2006, 02:47 PM   #25
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hey dont redicule larry hes a gr8 GM...last year he got granger this yr williams
i know williams is a freshman, but hey i mean....in 4 or 5 yrs the knicks will be sayin why didnt we take Williams, we got balkman haha lol

I am positive that Knick fans won't be saying this 5 years from now considering that Indiana picked Shawne Williams 17th overall while Isiah and the Knicks picked Renaldo Balkman 20th overall. You didn't take Williams at the 20th overall spot because he wasn't available.
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Old 07-05-2006, 03:34 PM   #26
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who REALLY makes out like a bandit in this story? Geoff Petrie.

gave away an expiring contract for Ron freakn Artest.
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Old 07-05-2006, 03:53 PM   #27
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They got nothing for Artest, but they were smart not to pay Peja the kind of money that the Hornets paid him.
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