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Old 05-16-2007, 04:50 AM   #1
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Default Kobe's future role: Wing scorer or initiator?

What do you folks think? He can play either role effectively.

Say we get Artest and keep Odom, he really should initiate again IMO.
He can still score 26-30 points and he's by far our best playmaker and we've had most success with him being that guy. He's done it for years and it's all natural for him.

Say we get JO. Again, you have your post scorer. Why not move Kobe to the backcourt?

The whole idea of playing him in the MJ role is nice and Kobe's indeed good there but Jordan was in a different situation and had one of the most unique players in Pippen initiating the offense for him.

In all likelihood, I suspect Kobe will be moved back to his role of an initiator which I don't think he should have problems with.
Hopefully we won't need him to score 40-50 points anymore and as a guard he can still be our first scorer and do the facilitating duties.

What do you think and where do you prefer him to play?
I really have no problem with him playing either role. It depands on a situation and the rest of the roster. What do you guys think?

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Old 05-16-2007, 06:33 AM   #2
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Default Re: Kobe's future role: Wing scorer or an initiator?

I think he'll most likely play initiator again unless we get a smart PG who can run the tri.

Personally, I prefer him as a wing scorer. Thats his most deadly position IMO, from the wing, he gets a lot of post up opportunities and plays from the free throw line and down where he is virtually unstoppable and effecient. Also, Phil made a point when they were pursuing Kidd, they wanted to get someone who can be the primary facilitator to lessen Kobe's workload and benefit him in the long run.

Interesting tidbit: Kobe right now has played as many minutes as MJ had at age 33
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Old 05-16-2007, 06:43 AM   #3
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Default Re: Kobe's future role: Wing scorer or an initiator?

I agree that Kobe's most deadly when he's around that FT line but let's look at the big picture here.
Jordan could play that way because he had Pippen and the Bulls never had that much post scoring so Jordan easily played there and he was their primary post option.

This Lakers team OTOH..say we get JO, we have our post scorer. Say we get Artest and keep Odom, those are two post scorers.
You need to adopt to your players I guess.
Odom is better in the post and doesn't iniate the offense that well while Artest loves to go down and score around the paint.
The best option is to have Kobe setting them and himself up.

The wear and tear theory is interesting but just because he has the ball in his hands doesn't mean he's doing more.
Kobe with Shaq was doing less than now and he was the playmaker.

If we indeed get post guys, I hope we kind of play like that again. With some adjustments, of course.
But with enough post firepower or firepower in general, I believe Kobe could initiate the offense, score around 28 points a game and have plenty of energy to close out games.

But again, I'm really fine with either role. It depands on what kind of teammates he"ll have.

About Jordan, he still won 3 rings after the age of 33. He was still great. Then he returned at 38 and even at 40 he was still able to average 20+ ppg. Unless there are injuries, I don't worry about Kobe.
He still has many productive years but his teammates will prolong his career, not his role IMO.
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Old 05-16-2007, 07:05 AM   #4
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Default Re: Kobe's future role: Wing scorer or an initiator?

I guess it doesn't matter what role he takes on but one thing I noticed is that him being facilitator forced him into a lot of bad shots and long threes (his teammates played a part in that too). He still managed to be pretty effecient but it seemed that most of the time he'd get in that wing position either he scored or got fouled, and I liked that because it "maximized" Kobe.

But yea, he can play either so we'll see who we get and go from there.
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Old 05-16-2007, 10:52 AM   #5
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Default Re: Kobe's future role: Wing scorer or an initiator?

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Interesting tidbit: Kobe right now has played as many minutes as MJ had at age 33

This is a very interesting tidbit that I had always suspected... very high mileage for someone so young.

What Kobe does will all depend on the personnel he has to work with as mentioned. But I do think he is better out on the wing.

He is quite versatile and did a great job as initiator last season, and MUCH MUCH more... But at initiator, it might take a toll on him over time. I would think that role would be the most demanding, unless I am mistaken. As Kobe ages, it would be nice to lighten the load on him during the season, so he has more juice for the post season if at all possible.


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Old 05-16-2007, 11:30 AM   #6
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Default Re: Kobe's future role: Wing scorer or an initiator?

it doesnt matter who kobe has on his team he will still score 25+ pts each game
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Old 05-16-2007, 11:54 AM   #7
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Default Re: Kobe's future role: Wing scorer or an initiator?

I personally don't think that setting up the offense requires as much as energy as running around, waiting for screens, posting up and all that stuff that Kobe does. I think setting up the offense is more of a mind play.
Kobe is still Kobe and he"ll do a lot however he plays but back in the 3peat days when he had the support of Shaq he still had all the energy he needed in order to be the man in the end.
I could we wrong but I think the role of a scorer is just as draining, if not more because for a player that guarded it must be tough just to get a position. Lot of running around, physical play etc.

Now, he still hits a lot of clutch shots but very often he just runs out of gas after 3 quarters. How could he not when he does so much.

I'm also definitely in favor of maximizing Kobe and using his biggest strength to his advantage and that's scoring but it's very likely that he"ll have to shift to the guard spot again.

Maybe that's finally a good thing to have Odom for. He can be a part time initator and he and Kobe can switch positions.
I now deserve Nobel's prize for finding a use out of Odom.
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Old 05-16-2007, 01:04 PM   #8
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The Big problem with kobe when he has the ball in hand is everyone tends to stand and watch... that's why the lakers are more effective when you have someone else with the ball and kobe looking for open spots on the floor to work from, just his movement opens up the floor and spreads the defense... luke is the second best player the lakers have at moving away from the ball although his danger is his passing instead of scoring...
this season the lakers were really clicking when odom would have the ball and you had lots of activity from luke and kobe away from the ball
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Old 05-16-2007, 11:00 PM   #9
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The Big problem with kobe when he has the ball in hand is everyone tends to stand and watch... that's why the lakers are more effective when you have someone else with the ball and kobe looking for open spots on the floor to work from, just his movement opens up the floor and spreads the defense... luke is the second best player the lakers have at moving away from the ball although his danger is his passing instead of scoring...
this season the lakers were really clicking when odom would have the ball and you had lots of activity from luke and kobe away from the ball

You are absolutely correct... that does happen and its part of the "dynamic" that needs to be broken with this team... with the movement of personnel. So, it is my hope that with a true second option... someone not afraid to shoot or take it to the hole consistently, along with LO, it should alleviate alot of this behavior that you speak of.

To me, its almost like the Lakers need some sports psychologists to analyze which players are head cases or have low hoop IQ (i.e. Cook) and find a way to jettison them from the team!


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Old 05-16-2007, 11:21 PM   #10
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Default Re: Kobe's future role: Wing scorer or an initiator?

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it doesnt matter who kobe has on his team he will still score 25+ pts each game
Yes but the point is how we're going to do this next season.

I would prefer him as a wing scorer as he averaged 35.4 ppg in that position a few years ago.

He was literally unstoppable that year.

I think we need to reel in a guard that knows the triangle. D-Fish would be very nice.
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Old 05-16-2007, 11:42 PM   #11
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I think we need to reel in a guard that knows the triangle. D-Fish would be very nice.

yea does fish want to come b/c the only reason why he left was b/c shaq left and hes havin a ball in Utah
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Old 05-17-2007, 12:51 AM   #12
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yea does fish want to come b/c the only reason why he left was b/c shaq left and hes havin a ball in Utah
lol... no the reason he left was because golden state offered him twice as much money as the lakers did...
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lol... no the reason he left was because golden state offered him twice as much money as the lakers did...

precisely!
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