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Old 09-24-2016, 12:58 PM   #1
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Default The same ppl who say cops are corrupt want us to solely rely on them for protection?

Why?

Doesn't make sense to me. Cops will be cops. They will make mistakes, most are flawed like the rest of us. Some people expect them to be perfect. Many say, they are corrupt, and inherently racist regardless of their own skin color, and are afraid to call them or speak with them in the event of a crime.

So until there is a point where the overwhelming majority of people are happy with cops, why do the people who are the most unhappy with them, also want us to rely on them for protection instead putting fate into own hands with tools of self defense?

"Cops suck, but we also want to ban guns which will allow us to protect ourselves without relying on these cops we hate".

Does that make sense?
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Old 09-24-2016, 01:05 PM   #2
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stupid thread. the issue is the unreasonable mistakes and an unreasonable amount of corruption. yes we rely on cops, and if you cant do the job right, give the badge to the next person who can. wasnt that easy to understand? why do idiots keep bringing up the same point.
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Old 09-24-2016, 01:09 PM   #3
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stupid thread. the issue is the unreasonable mistakes and an unreasonable amount of corruption. yes we rely on cops, and if you cant do the job right, give the badge to the next person who can. wasnt that easy to understand? why do idiots keep bringing up the same point.

And until you think they are reliable. Why would you want to put your own fate completely in their hands?.
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Old 09-24-2016, 01:51 PM   #4
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And until you think they are reliable. Why would you want to put your own fate completely in their hands?.
Is it to hard to ask that they do their job properly?
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Old 09-24-2016, 01:57 PM   #5
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Default Re: The same ppl who say cops are corrupt want us to solely rely on them for protection?

Legit argument.

There was a video of BLM protesters running for their dear lives and relying on the police when the Dallas shooter was gunning everyone down.

It was great to see that they needed the help of the police.
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Old 09-24-2016, 02:00 PM   #6
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Is it to hard to ask that they do their job properly?


I think they do. I think the problems they do have are so small, in comparison to the police force as a whole, it's ridiculous to generalize police instead of just blaming the individuals.

But that's me. If you think their is a large scale problem with law enforcement, you shouldn't find yourself depending on them until these problems are fixed, from a realistic perspective.

Ideally, the police would be perfect and you could completely depend on them but there is a fine line between fantasy and idealism.
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Old 09-24-2016, 02:07 PM   #7
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I think they do. I think the problems they do have are so small, in comparison to the police force as a whole, it's ridiculous to generalize police instead of just blaming the individuals.

But that's me. If you think their is a large scale problem with law enforcement, you shouldn't find yourself depending on them until these problems are fixed, from a realistic perspective.

Ideally, the police would be perfect and you could completely depend on them but there is a fine line between fantasy and idealism.
I think the problem lies is many people have a hard time comprehending the scale of the world outside their screens
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Old 09-24-2016, 02:10 PM   #8
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stupid thread. the issue is the unreasonable mistakes and an unreasonable amount of corruption. yes we rely on cops, and if you cant do the job right, give the badge to the next person who can. wasnt that easy to understand? why do idiots keep bringing up the same point.


You idiot, do you know what an unreasonable amount is?? It's like a lot.


These shootings, at least the ones where the suspect doesn't have a gun rarely ever happen.
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Old 09-24-2016, 02:11 PM   #9
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I think they do. I think the problems they do have are so small, in comparison to the police force as a whole, it's ridiculous to generalize police instead of just blaming the individuals.

But that's me. If you think their is a large scale problem with law enforcement, you shouldn't find yourself depending on them until these problems are fixed, from a realistic perspective.

Ideally, the police would be perfect and you could completely depend on them but there is a fine line between fantasy and idealism.
So, if you have shitty parents, you should stop letting them feed you because if you complain about them you shouldn't accept their help at all right? How is your stance the realistic one? You're basically saying if you want anything to change, you have no right to what you want changed. Trump supporters think there's a large scale problem in America, but they're still voting. Following your logic they shouldn't be able to participate in the political process they are criticizing.
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Old 09-24-2016, 02:28 PM   #10
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So, if you have shitty parents, you should stop letting them feed you because if you complain about them you shouldn't accept their help at all right? How is your stance the realistic one? You're basically saying if you want anything to change, you have no right to what you want changed. Trump supporters think there's a large scale problem in America, but they're still voting. Following your logic they shouldn't be able to participate in the political process they are criticizing.

Nope, but if you have shifty parents you should want the ability to supplement the food you get from them with some self reliancy. Or do you think self reliancy is bad?

Trump supporters tend not to blame America, rather they seem to pointing fingers at unrealistic, broken parts of our system and poor examples of politicians. Is it the Trump supporters burning/walking/spitting on American flags, refusing to acknowledge the national anthem, insulting America by saying we should be like other countries, crapping on our troops? Yeah....
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Old 09-24-2016, 02:36 PM   #11
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stupid thread. the issue is the unreasonable mistakes and an unreasonable amount of corruption. yes we rely on cops, and if you cant do the job right, give the badge to the next person who can. wasnt that easy to understand? why do idiots keep bringing up the same point.
Kay....

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Why risk you life and have people spit in your face, throw shit at you, mess with your food, people trying to agitate you and if you retaliate you're life is over, dealing with overdoses and murder scenes?

What's the point? Would you be willing to do that? I doubt it. I don't blame them, I wouldn't either. I saw this long ago when I got out of the military and then went to apply to be an officer. I thought 'I'd like to help out. I have a relaxed view on drugs, I don't like to give out tickets or arrest people if I don't have to. I never wanted to ruin people's day when I was an MP, and I went out of my way not to....'

But then I thought... '****. that. I'm not going out every night risking my life to just to deal with that shit'.

So yep, that's a good plan. I'm looking forward to the day when people are climbing over themselves to deal with race riots after a black officer shoots a black armed suspect. Until then, giving the badge to someone else isnt an option.
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Old 09-24-2016, 02:38 PM   #12
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Default Re: The same ppl who say cops are corrupt want us to solely rely on them for protection?

Here in NY, cops are pretty decent. They however run the streets like they have some type of prestigious career. They need to remember they work for US, their civil servants.
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Old 09-24-2016, 03:16 PM   #13
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Default Re: The same ppl who say cops are corrupt want us to solely rely on them for protection?

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stupid thread. the issue is the unreasonable mistakes and an unreasonable amount of corruption. yes we rely on cops, and if you cant do the job right, give the badge to the next person who can. wasnt that easy to understand? why do idiots keep bringing up the same point.
What is a reasonable amount of mistakes and corruption?
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Old 09-24-2016, 03:17 PM   #14
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Here in NY, cops are pretty decent. They however run the streets like they have some type of prestigious career. They need to remember they work for US, their civil servants.
Why don't you remind these officers to their face the next time you see them?
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Old 09-24-2016, 04:39 PM   #15
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Default Re: The same ppl who say cops are corrupt want us to solely rely on them for protection?

There are good cops and bad cops and apparently, a whole bunch of racist ones too.

Their training sucks, they'll use lethal force way too quickly, especially if the suspect is of a darker skin tone. That has to change. How exactly can we change that, I will defer to the experts...

I don't think most libs want to outright ban guns but make it tougher for wackos to get their hands on weapons that cause a whole lot of damage in such a short time. Cops agree with this point too, there's been incidences of cops being outgunned by thugs.

This is a hunting rifle...


This one isn't...



Edit: If you can't protect your home/family with a gun or a shotgun, then you might want to get an RPG and blow the whole fukking house down.

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