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Old 05-20-2007, 03:41 PM   #1
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Default "Kidd The Best Point Guard I've Seen"- Lebron James

Thoughts on this?

No doubt J.Kidd is the best player in the NBA right now for triple-doubles but the best ever seen by Lebron James? Now i could be takin this outta context and Lebron might be sayin that he's played against but the best PG he's ever seen? Lebron you got highlight films of Magic, Isiah and Stockton? No knock on J.Kidd he's Hall of Famer but the best PG ever? C'Mon


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Old 05-20-2007, 03:42 PM   #2
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Default Re: "Kidd The Best Point Guard I've Seen"- Lebron James

your thread title says it all


Lebron says Kidd is the best PG he has ever seen play, the assumption is played against because the entire quote says Lebron has not played against Nash as often.




plus, watching film is not the same as playing against someone.
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Old 05-20-2007, 03:45 PM   #3
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Default Re: "Kidd The Best Point Guard I've Seen"- Lebron James

yea sorry i wasn't sure what he meant by seen you kno like playin against someone or watchin them on TV or hightlights..
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Old 05-20-2007, 03:47 PM   #4
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Default Re: "Kidd The Best Point Guard I've Seen"- Lebron James

Lebron respect Jason Kidd because he is the real Best PG in the NBA in the last 7 years.

I hope Cavaliers might finally get him this coming offseason and waive snow and Wesley.
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Old 05-20-2007, 03:47 PM   #5
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Default Re: "Kidd The Best Point Guard I've Seen"- Lebron James

saying Kidd is better than Nash is not some kind of blashpemy. Kidd has had a much better overall career. He's saying Kidd is the best he's ever seen. He's a young guy. Not old enough to have seen Magic, and probably only caught the tail end of Stockton and Payton (who Kidd is better than anway) careers.
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Old 05-20-2007, 03:49 PM   #6
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Kidd is the best PG in the NBA and has been for years. If it wasn't for him the entire Nets franchise probably wouldn't even exist.
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Default Re: "Kidd The Best Point Guard I've Seen"- Lebron James

when is Hov movin them to Brooklyn? or did they call it off?
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Old 05-20-2007, 04:55 PM   #8
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when is Hov movin them to Brooklyn? or did they call it off?

2008-2009 season.

So, one more season in NJ.
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Old 05-20-2007, 05:41 PM   #9
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Default Re: "Kidd The Best Point Guard I've Seen"- Lebron James

JKidd is finally getting the recognition he deserves.

Averaging a TD in 12 playoff games during this era of basketball is a well earned merit that should be appreciated.
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Old 05-20-2007, 05:44 PM   #10
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Default Re: "Kidd The Best Point Guard I've Seen"- Lebron James

Kidd is the 3rd best pg ever arguably, This isn't surprising. He's also the best pg in the league today.
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Default Re: "Kidd The Best Point Guard I've Seen"- Lebron James

Kidd was great four years ago when he was a lockdown defender. But he might just be the worst shooting (starting) point in the NBA after Tony Parker, why has he never improved? Shooting 39% in a season? Ouch.

However, he's nowhere near Nash right now. Kidd lost his defensive edge and has become horribly overrated in that aspect.
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Default Re: "Kidd The Best Point Guard I've Seen"- Lebron James

in the defensive department yea but he's averagin a triple double:

PPG 14.6
RPG 10.90
APG 10.9

Now wit him, VC and RJ all the role players can be there for more of a defensive presence..now i'm not sayin he's the best PG in the league but you could put up the argument..
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Default Re: "Kidd The Best Point Guard I've Seen"- Lebron James

Kidd was great four years ago when he was a lockdown defender. But he might just be the worst shooting (starting) point in the NBA after Tony Parker, why has he never improved? Shooting 39% in a season? Ouch.

that's a bit of a mirage statistic you've got there.

for one thing, the correct number is 40.6% for this season. for another, he gets played way too many minutes for his age so his legs are never as fresh as they should be for shooting jumpers. if he had a little bit better backup help (which the nets have failed to give him the last few years) then he would definitely be shooting better. he has spent loads of time working on his stroke in practice the last couple years, and as he ages you can look for his percentage to keep going up. he's typically the best shooter when it comes to internal competitions, such as against eddie house and boki nachbar.

for another thing, he's not like an iverson who will also shoot 40% but will just keep jacking them up regardless. kidd is never going to shoot you out of a game. also, he has a knack for making shots when it counts. in the playoffs he took his average up to 43%, which is just fine for a PG.

lastly, probably about half or more of his personal offense in this system is in three-balls. in fact he shot 34% for the season, which is not good, but it's not going to hurt you either. then in the playoffs, when it really counted, he took it up to a scintillating 42%. nash's average can't be much higher than that, either.


However, he's nowhere near Nash right now. Kidd lost his defensive edge and has become horribly overrated in that aspect.

kidd is living a little bit off his defensive rep these days, but he's still a good defender. he still plays excellent team defense and his ability to play 1v1 is not as bad as you'd think considering all the smaller, quicker burners he has to face. he doesn't even have the luxury of a kerry kittles anymore, who could be sicced on offending PG's when needed, ala a bowen or a patterson or a bryant.

kidd is still a better defender than nash and he's still a much better rebounder, whereas nash is the much more consistent shooter. nash also gets more assists, but nash has people to run the break with him and kidd pretty much just has RJ among the starters these days. also, kidd's assists have prolly suffered a bit because of having to let carter handle the ball so much. if kidd was the main ballhandler, as nash is on the suns, then you can be sure he would have averaged more than nine assists for this year.

conclusion- kidd is not worlds better than nash, but nash is not worlds better than kidd, either. as long as you rate them in the top two in the league then you are fine.
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Default Re: "Kidd The Best Point Guard I've Seen"- Lebron James

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Kidd is the 3rd best pg ever arguably, This isn't surprising. He's also the best pg in the league today.

Third best ever? That might be overrating him a bit, don't you think? Who are the two you believe to be ahead of him? Magic's gotta be one for sure.
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Kidd was great four years ago when he was a lockdown defender. But he might just be the worst shooting (starting) point in the NBA after Tony Parker, why has he never improved? Shooting 39% in a season? Ouch.

However, he's nowhere near Nash right now. Kidd lost his defensive edge and has become horribly overrated in that aspect.

His shooting form is awkward. Which is why he's streaky. He improved his % this season, and he was on and off during the playoffs.

Wrong, he is not as quick as before, but he is still a great lockdown defender. And it doesn't matter, because he will always be miles ahead of Nash in defense. There's no argument in that. He would not have been guarding LeBron during late game stretches if he wasn't. And LeBron for the most part struggled in those stretches and shot a lot of jumpshots. Go figure.

Overrated in defense? You don't know what you're talking about.

Kidd and Nash are a close 1 and 2. It would be overrating Nash to say that Kidd is nowhere near him.

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