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Old 05-20-2007, 04:46 PM   #1
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Angry Laker's offense: get rid of Triangle Offense?

Should Phil Jackson get rid of the Triangle offense? Or should he stick to another play?

I mean whats the point if you only have 1 player who knows the offense.
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Old 05-20-2007, 07:42 PM   #2
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Default Re: Laker's offense: get rid of Triangle Offense?

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Should Phil Jackson get rid of the Triangle offense? Or should he stick to another play?

I mean whats the point if you only have 1 player who knows the offense.

I'm tired of the triangle. But it's not going anywhere if Phil Jackson is still here.
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Old 05-20-2007, 07:45 PM   #3
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Default Re: Laker's offense: get rid of Triangle Offense?

they neva run the triangel newayz. Luke does a pretty good job, but like Phil says, when we start playin kobe ball then its a wrap
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Old 05-20-2007, 08:08 PM   #4
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I'm tired of the triangle. But it's not going anywhere if Phil Jackson is still here.

Pretty much everyone is. Phil is a great coach, but has never changed the offense during his times in Chicago and LA. Guess the Triangle needs the right players.
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Old 05-20-2007, 08:08 PM   #5
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Default Re: Laker's offense: get rid of Triangle Offense?

The triangle isn't the problem. They can score points. D-E-F-E-N-S-E is the problem. They have to learn to play solid team defense and they'll win games. Look at the games when they actually had leads going into the fourth quarter, offense wasn't the problem, it was the breakdowns on defense.

They need new personnel that WANT to win, play defense and play together at all times.

The triangle is just another method of running a motion offense and add in shot selection into the mix.

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Old 05-20-2007, 10:03 PM   #6
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Default Re: Laker's offense: get rid of Triangle Offense?

Netdoc is correct... you people bagging on the Triangle seem to think its a defensive scheme by what you are saying, since the real problem with the Lakers is DEFENSE.

The Triangle has been vastly modified to accommodate the talent and style of players that the currently have. It is not the problem with this Laker team.




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Old 05-20-2007, 10:11 PM   #7
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Default Re: Laker's offense: get rid of Triangle Offense?

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Netdoc is correct... you people bagging on the Triangle seem to think its a defensive scheme by what you are saying, since the real problem with the Lakers is DEFENSE.

The Triangle has been vastly modified to accommodate the talent and style of players that the currently have. It is not the problem with this Laker team.





You do know the Triangle Offense is the hardest offense to learn right? Defense is another problem.
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Old 05-20-2007, 10:50 PM   #8
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You do know the Triangle Offense is the hardest offense to learn right? Defense is another problem.


it's actually not that hard to learn it's sort of like chess, someone can teach you the basics of chess, all the basic moves and such but it takes time to learn the game... that being said a reasonably smart person can learn chess and start playing a decent game inside a few days...

in the triangle everyone has a set role and it only requires you to know where you should be if the ball is here.. take lukes position this season ball comes up court go to lamar who's strong side line of moment and luke should be slashing across the lane to the weak side... everyone has a role and each persons role is not that hard to define...

the problem you get is when you have a season like this one past everyones roles were in such a state of flux it's does get kinda foulded up... and a last point one of the greatest hinderences to the triangle can be kobe... the triangles greatest strength lies in ball movement as the ball is passed in and out and around the perimeter probing for the high percentage shots... as the ball is passed around everyone is supposed to be moving into open spots on the floor, then the ball gets to kobe and everything grinds to a halt will he pass? shoot? dribble the ball up and down trying to go one on one? so all movement stops because the ball stops...


yet through out the season with all the problems the team did usually manage to put enough points on the board to win games...it was the defense that was the culprit behind the lousy season... not offense...
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Old 05-21-2007, 12:08 AM   #9
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You do know the Triangle Offense is the hardest offense to learn right? Defense is another problem.

When I coached, I was able to teach a modified version of the triangle to high school kids. It's a methodical approach to running a motion offense. The reason why it's difficult is that you have to use your brain and go out of your instincts when it comes to running the offense. You have to know where your spots are on the floor when cuts are being made. That's the "difficult" part of running the offense.

I'm sure most of you on this board have played the game at some level, so you understand the instincts. When you've been tought to do something your whole career, then someone changes your entire philosophy of the game. Be here when X person moves to X spot, etc, etc.

Watch the final 10 - 15 games of the season, you'll see lackidasical attitudes, heads down, arguments with refs, mental breakdowns on defense, thus ending up in losses. That's the problem. When you have 6 players on a team with 12 players that do not care anymore and 2 more that only "half" care, you lose ball games.

FRUSTRATED AS HELL AT THIS TEAM - btw

Buss' first "date" is coming up on May 22nd. Then we get to see what he has in store.

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Old 05-21-2007, 12:16 AM   #10
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Default Re: Laker's offense: get rid of Triangle Offense?

The triangle is like a liberal democracy.

It takes so ****ing long to work, but when it works, it ****ing works!!!

The U.S. took 200 years to build that democracy, maybe we'll take 2. Let us just be patient. Hell most 3rd world countries that call themselves democracies are only under the process of democratization, even if it has been over 50 years.

A good triangle offense is like a working democracy, it is a system built by geniuses such that it can be run by idiots. Lets hope our idiots figure it out.

After all is said and done, let us stick to it.

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Old 05-21-2007, 12:19 AM   #11
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When I coached, I was able to teach a modified version of the triangle to high school kids. It's a methodical approach to running a motion offense. The reason why it's difficult is that you have to use your brain and go out of your instincts when it comes to running the offense. You have to know where your spots are on the floor when cuts are being made. That's the "difficult" part of running the offense.

Wow I can totally relate because I'm currently on a team where we're learning a motion offense and we're all fukcin it up one way or another. It's pretty tough and too many rules and little tricks to learn.
Just hard to imagine what the triangle can teach.

But I don't think that we should absolutely get rid of it.

I think it should be run in certain situations especially when we're caught in a half court game. It's always good to confuse the opposition with some variety.
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Old 05-21-2007, 09:31 AM   #12
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Wow I can totally relate because I'm currently on a team where we're learning a motion offense and we're all fukcin it up one way or another. It's pretty tough and too many rules and little tricks to learn.

Who ever said you had good hoop IQ?

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Old 05-21-2007, 11:05 AM   #13
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Default Re: Laker's offense: get rid of Triangle Offense?

Let's see.
The offense that has won 9 rings or idiot players who most of them haven't even seen the 2nd round of the playoffs? Hmmm, I pick the 9 rings option.

Triangle is great, as long as it doesn't get in the way of picking talented players because Mitch has had a tendency in the past to go for triangle fits ovr talented players.

Talent needs to be #1 until there's a championship core and even then talent needs to come first. That's my only complaint but from reading Phil's book, I wouldn't say it's his fault.

Other than that, I want Phil to stay for a long time.
Only like 5 coaches have won rings in the last 20 years. That tells you something, doesn't it? And Phil is one of them.
Triangle is proven to be effective. Period.

However, I do agree that this team isn't suited to run it but most of them are idiots so the best solution is to change the personal, not the offense.

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However, I do agree that this team isn't suited to run it but most of them are idiots so the best solution is to change the personnel, not the offense.

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Who ever said you had good hoop IQ?

(just kiddin!)




Who said you were young enough to still play?

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