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Old 05-21-2007, 10:17 PM   #16
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go to a real doctor... it's not hard...
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Old 05-21-2007, 10:46 PM   #17
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We have trust me, nothing has helped him.
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Old 05-21-2007, 10:56 PM   #18
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my condolences to your brother, but if a legitimate medical professional cannot offer any treatment, would you so casually throw away your hard earned money for something that could very well be a scam?
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Old 05-21-2007, 10:57 PM   #19
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My brother has a bad stuttering problem, has ever since he began to talk and know hes 20. My friends mom found about this thing called the fluency master and was planning on buying it for him.

But I have a few questions a red flags.

#1 They want my mom to pay 3900 through Paypal, which is a ***** about fraudulent charges, and only covers up to 2000 if you do get scammed, and if you pay and the seller empties their bank account, well you're screwed.

#2 You're supposed to go to a specch patheologists to try it out, but they requested CASH ONLY, which leaves no paper trail whatsoever.

# 3 I googled the Doctors name and nothing came up on him.

# 4 The 2 doctors that my mom got a recommendation from and the audiologists who did the ear mold have never heard of the fluency master. We saw a video on VHS that was made in the 1980's and their website looks like it was made in the 1980's, yet 2 docters and an audiologists have never heard of it?

So, I mean, I would for my brother to have this, it would really improve his life, but I dont want my mom to get scammed for $4500.

So whats your opinion?
Dont do it man
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Old 05-21-2007, 11:00 PM   #20
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My brother has a bad stuttering problem, has ever since he began to talk and now hes 20. My friends mom found about this thing called the fluency master and was planning on buying it for him.

But I have a few questions a red flags.

#1 They want my mom to pay 3900 through Paypal, which is a ***** about fraudulent charges, and only covers up to 2000 if you do get scammed, and if you pay and the seller empties their bank account, well you're screwed.

#2 You're supposed to go to a specch patheologists to try it out, but they requested CASH ONLY, which leaves no paper trail whatsoever.

# 3 I googled the Doctors name and nothing came up on him.

# 4 The 2 doctors that my mom got a recommendation from and the audiologists who did the ear mold have never heard of the fluency master. We saw a video on VHS that was made in the 1980's and their website looks like it was made in the 1980's, yet 2 docters and an audiologists have never heard of it?

So, I mean, I would for my brother to have this, it would really improve his life, but I dont want my mom to get scammed for $4500.

So whats your opinion?

sounds like a scam. i would definitely not do it. where did u even find this guy and why him? i assume uve done research on this? cant u find forums, help sites etc on what to do for the stuttering help
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Old 05-21-2007, 11:02 PM   #21
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if it actiually worked, dont u think the doctors would have an article or two written about them
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Old 05-21-2007, 11:02 PM   #22
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My moms friend said she saw something about it on 20/20, I have emailed ABC about it, hopefully they get back to me.
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Old 05-21-2007, 11:02 PM   #23
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how old is your brother?


if he is a young child, he can grow out of this with time and patience.
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Old 05-21-2007, 11:05 PM   #24
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i know a couple of people who stutter, though for some reason ur brothers condition sounds worse. do u know what the cause is? is it that hes nervous or somethin. i remember there bein a bunch of rappers who stutter also. i think drag-on was one of them..not that that helps ur bro
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if he is a young child, he can grow out of this with time and patience.

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Old 05-21-2007, 11:38 PM   #26
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I did a google and came up with this..

http://answers.google.com/answers/threadview?id=204432

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A stuttering device requires a direct test with each individual. If the device shows promise in helping a given person during an initial test session, then a trial use period is appropriate that should extend over three to four weeks. At the end of the period, a rational decision can be made regarding whether the device should be retained or not. There should be no charge, or perhaps a small charge for making an ear mold or shell, for the trial period. Additional charges may be imposed for clinical time. It is up to the purchaser to decide whether or not such charges are justified. Since it is likely that the seller is remunerated for the sale of the device, additional charges should be examined carefully.

Be careful of the device seller who attempts also to teach speech skills in order to make the device more effective. Some device sellers may use a slighter slower form of speech when they are talking to you in hopes that you will unconsciously model their speech style. Slowed speech can sometimes make it seem as if the device is producing fluency. However, your slowed speech is actually allowing the device to be of assistance to you.

You should be clear in your purposes. Do you want device created fluency or do you want help with the device in your controlled production of the behaviors that generate fluent speech? The latter outcome is more demanding of user efforts and it is possible that the effects of the device will diminish with time if the user is less than diligent in using the appropriate skills. You might also ask your self why you might be willing to use fluency skills with a device, when with a little more effort you could learn to use them and not require a device.

There are additional issues to evaluate before purchasing a device-even if it is helpful to you. A device is typically expensive, from $2000-$4000. In-the-ear devices dwell in the warm, humid environment of the ear and may last for 3 to 5 years. A behind-the-ear device is likely to last about 10 years. These projections are based on data from the hearing aid industry. There are insufficient data available to indicate how long fluency devices will actually last. It is clear that potential purchasers should factor in future replacement costs when considering devices. The actual direct costs of wearing a device may approximate $1000 to $1500 a year.

A device can be damaged when a wearer becomes habituated to its presence and forgets to remove it before taking a shower or going swimming. If a device is left out in the open, pets may lick or chew the device because of salt deposits on the case. Devices can be lost if they fall out of the ear or from behind the ear. Devices always carry additional costs with them-batteries and maintenance are the most common. For example, some devices are prone to having battery doors break or fall off. Devices with volume controls may also experience failure of the variable resistor due to its frequent manipulation by the user.

Devices can represent a bother in day-to-day living. Some DAF based devices send all sounds received at the unit to the ear with a delay. Thus, when you are talking to someone, your speech is delayed by the device when you talk; however, when they speak to you their speech is received in one ear in real-time while it is delayed when it arrives via the device-based ear. This disruption in the normal hearing of sound can become quite bothersome to some people.

Devices also create user dependence. A person who is capable of learning how to speak fluently is likely to forego that option and depend on the device. Device failure can lead to a panic situation, especially if an important speaking event is to be faced.

If you are thinking about acquiring a device, it is important to be familiar with the history of devices in stuttering. Typically, the device gets substantial public attention, there is sudden demand for the device, and gradually, demand is reduced as the realities of the device become apparent. The usual result is that the small companies that have produced the devices cannot stay in business and close their doors within a few years after the device is announced. This can mean that those who depend on the device are cut off and must fend for themselves.

In the opinion of the HCRI clinical staff, it is substantially more desirable to learn a strong set of fluency skills that will last for a lifetime than it is to depend on devices. The therapy specifically referred to here is the Hollins Fluency System™, our proprietary stuttering therapy developed and offered at HCRI. Our experience shows that most people who stutter can acquire lasting fluent speech through careful, motivated participation in our therapy. Certainly, more effort is required initially. However, the effort level diminishes with the use of fluency skills and the satisfaction level increases. There is substantial self-esteem and satisfaction that can result from the mastery of fluency skills. When therapy is a well developed, objectively based technology administered by highly skilled professionals, a single participation can establish fluency skills that last a lifetime.

Clearly, the choice is yours. Good luck with your decision.
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Thanks gts, alot of good information there.
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Old 05-22-2007, 09:10 AM   #28
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My brother has a bad stuttering problem, has ever since he began to talk and now hes 20. My friends mom found about this thing called the fluency master and was planning on buying it for him.

What you meant to say is: "I have a stuttering problem."
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Old 05-22-2007, 04:57 PM   #29
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Dont waste the money you can tell its a scam
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Old 05-22-2007, 05:22 PM   #30
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I used to stutter for a bit as a kid and then it went away. It came back more as a stammer at about the age of 25. I actually researched the Fluency Master. I did have an ear mold done. I met with an audiologist. I tried it, it felt a little weird but it worked. It causes this low static sound right behind your ear. This helps distract you in a way that allows you to speak fluently. I was there with this other girl. She bought it and walked out with it, but I didn't because I thought it was a little out of my price range. Since then, I've almost overcome my stammer. It rarely ever comes up. Noboby knows I even had a problem. You should try before you buy. I'm sure if your brother tried it he would really like it. I'm sure his stuttering is a torture on him that he just wants to end. It is definitely worth it to give it a try.

I believe it is an "audio feedback device." You can research that too.

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