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Old 04-20-2017, 12:04 PM   #1
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Default Michael Eric Dyson: Jordan the greatest career, but Kobe the greatest bball player

This is the guy (professor at georgetown) who compared LeBron to Kobe to MJ a few months ago, claiming NOBODY in sports-history handles adversity greater than LeBron.

With that being said, he thinks Kobe is the greatest as far as in-game and pure skills go. That "nobody made tougher shots, had the footwork, grace" etc.

I don't agree with him, but I do think there's a case to be made on Kobe's extraordinary skillset without being laughed out of a barbershop
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Old 04-20-2017, 12:08 PM   #2
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Default Re: Michael Eric Dyson: Jordan the greatest career, but Kobe the greatest bball player

Kobe was a solid top 20 player of the past 30 years.greatest ever ....pass the needle bro
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Old 04-20-2017, 12:10 PM   #3
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Kobe was a solid top 20 player of the past 30 years.greatest ever ....pass the needle bro

ahh, so that's how you got AIDS?
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Old 04-20-2017, 12:16 PM   #4
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Default Re: Michael Eric Dyson: Jordan the greatest career, but Kobe the greatest bball player

Skills? Definitely. He is up there at the very top alongside anyone who ever played.

Greatest player? I don't know about you but I have a few players I would take first. Not many but a few for certain.
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Old 04-20-2017, 12:28 PM   #5
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Default Re: Michael Eric Dyson: Jordan the greatest career, but Kobe the greatest bball player

This whole notion of Kobe being some hypothetical GOAT is so crazy it needs drastic measures to be eradicated at every turn. Giving this "skills" argument such a platform is cancerous.

To the author, why not make this about Kobe's "greatness" or "skills" without needing to push this silly idea of it being so meaningful, he could be argued the greatest on the virtue of "skills".

It is cancer and poison, which you help spread. Harmless? No way. Brainwashing cult.
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Old 04-20-2017, 12:34 PM   #6
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Well Kobe is 12th greatest player of all time, its time to deal with it and chill.
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Old 04-20-2017, 12:34 PM   #7
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Default Re: Michael Eric Dyson: Jordan the greatest career, but Kobe the greatest bball player

I mean on a complete individual level, yes.

Kobe was a slightly better ball handler pre finger injuries IMO and a superior long range shooter.

Difficult shot maker, so was MJ, but Kobe's ego had him idiotically taking more than was necessary.

But outside of that, there was skills off the ball Jordan was superior at. He was the better finisher at the rim both finesse, athletically or power wise. And he was the superior as well as more consistent defender.

Kobe is the closest to him in terms of offensive skill set though. Mainly because a large chunk of his game is predicated on copying Jordan, with dashes of Iverson and McGrady thrown in with the early 2000's dribbling style.
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Old 04-20-2017, 12:37 PM   #8
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I mean on a complete individual level, yes.

Kobe was a slightly better ball handler pre finger injuries IMO and a superior long range shooter.

Difficult shot maker, so was MJ, but Kobe's ego had him idiotically taking more than was necessary.

But outside of that, there was skills off the ball Jordan was superior at. He was the better finisher at the rim both finesse, athletically or power wise. And he was the superior as well as more consistent defender.

Kobe is the closest to him in terms of offensive skill set though. Mainly because a large chunk of his game is predicated on copying Jordan, with dashes of Iverson and McGrady thrown in with the early 2000's dribbling style.


Nope, sorry coach.
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Old 04-20-2017, 12:40 PM   #9
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This whole notion of Kobe being some hypothetical GOAT is so crazy it needs drastic measures to be eradicated at every turn. Giving this "skills" argument such a platform is cancerous.

To the author, why not make this about Kobe's "greatness" or "skills" without needing to push this silly idea of it being so meaningful, he could be argued the greatest on the virtue of "skills".

It is cancer and poison, which you help spread. Harmless? No way. Brainwashing cult.

Kobe has absolutely no case.

Basketball should be equally about skills as they are RESULTS, within context of course.

I wouldn't make the argument, but someone could claim Bean as the most skilled perimeter player, heck maybe THE most skilled player ever, but in the end its just not enough to trump in-game performance notably on plateaus where the stakes are high. MJ, Kareem and even LeBron have Kobe beat there - comfortably.
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Old 04-20-2017, 12:44 PM   #10
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Lmao. Kobe can't touch MJ. End of story.
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Old 04-20-2017, 12:50 PM   #11
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I mean on a complete individual level, yes.

Kobe was a slightly better ball handler pre finger injuries IMO and a superior long range shooter.

Difficult shot maker, so was MJ, but Kobe's ego had him idiotically taking more than was necessary.

But outside of that, there was skills off the ball Jordan was superior at. He was the better finisher at the rim both finesse, athletically or power wise. And he was the superior as well as more consistent defender.

Kobe is the closest to him in terms of offensive skill set though. Mainly because a large chunk of his game is predicated on copying Jordan, with dashes of Iverson and McGrady thrown in with the early 2000's dribbling style.

Yeah.

Kobe's been on record saying he mimicked everything (including another players "best moves") he could incorporate into his own game. Dyson also claimed Kobe was the ultimate student of the game, to which I agree.

The whole "muse cage" bit on dude being obsessed with "animal planet" and "sharks hunting their prey" though? He said he watched ALL of that in order to defend guys like AI and TMac
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Old 04-20-2017, 12:51 PM   #12
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Nope, sorry coach.
16 posts a day. On just THIS account. We need to get you a Burger King application stat. What are you doing wasting your life, son?

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16 posts a day. On just THIS account. We need to get you a Burger King application stat. What are you doing wasting your life, son?


I'd rather you forward my resume to the AAU coaching center, and put a good word for me.


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Old 04-20-2017, 12:57 PM   #14
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Yeah.

Kobe's been on record saying he mimicked everything (including another players "best moves") he could incorporate into his own game. Dyson also claimed Kobe was the ultimate student of the game, to which I agree.

The whole "muse cage" bit on dude being obsessed with "animal planet" and "sharks hunting their prey" though? He said he watched ALL of that in order to defend guys like AI and TMac
It also speaks to Kobe not having much true originality to his game.

He really did copy and blend everyone's different styles into his own. It probably came from growing up overseas then coming back home and having to adapt to different cultures or types of basketball.

But yes, firmly agreeable. His video guarding the greats was awesome. But this whole musecage stuff is the epitome of cringe. Every time he mentions it I just

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this is for "coach"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DVg2EJvvlF8
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