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Old 04-22-2017, 01:32 PM   #31
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Default Re: Tracy McGrady: "LeBron will NEVER be better than Jordan."

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Never needing to be bailed out by team hopping or miracle shots from teammates or unexpected Finals suspensions.

Not sure about never, but I find it funny when that Ray Allen miracle three is compared to kerrs ft shot and paxsons 3. Like one was hit on a win or go home final seconds off an offensive rebound passed to Ray backpedaling into the corner with a hand in his face and the other was a set play where the defense collapsed on mj and he passed it to an open Kerr for the gw and same for the other where the ball was passed out and swung to an open paxson.....like one was an actual miracle shot and the other 2 were good basketball plays.
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Old 04-22-2017, 01:45 PM   #32
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No. MJ NEVER got bailed out by a situation or a lesser teammate.

Injuries are apart of the sport. All sports really. They don't count as asterisks.

But miracle series saving, falling out of bounds 3 point shots off a lucky bounce? To save from being eliminated?

Not even accounting for Duncan's massive choke job on a point blank layup.

To the countless deck stacking in free agency by bouncing around from team to team to more beneficial talent or youthful situations?

Or campaigning for suspensions of prime time impact players in a Finals series, which altered all forms of momentum for the winning and superior team?

These are bail outs that have nothing to do with the comparison of impact and quality of comparing these two basketball players.

What does Jordan have even remotely close to all that to put a sour note on his accomplishments?

LeBron was a miracle shot, and shocking suspension away from being 1 for 7 on the biggest stage imaginable.

If those didn't go his way, Kobe would still be ranked higher all time. What a difference some absolute miracle luck will do for a legacy and resume heh?
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Old 04-22-2017, 01:46 PM   #33
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Default Re: Tracy McGrady: "LeBron will NEVER be better than Jordan."

Jordan played in the weakest era ever and not just the East.
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Old 04-22-2017, 01:51 PM   #34
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Why LeBron will NEVER be better than Jordan:

1) 3-4 Finals record (with a chance to add more Finals losses). Since Jordan is 6-0 in the Finals then logically the only way LeBron can make up for his 4 finals losses is winning AT LEAST 1 more than Jordan (7). Which is what Brady did to make up for HIS Superbowl losses and have people put him over Montana. And this is all assuming he doesn't lose any more Finals...

2) Has played in a historically sh*t Leastern Conference for his entire career with no legit competition.

3) Jumped teams TWICE in order to build Superteams and maximize his ring count in an artificial way that Jordan didn't do

4) 2011 Finals (BIGGEST UPSET IN NBA FINALS HISTORY)

5) 2014 Finals (BIGGEST MARGIN OF LOSS IN NBA FINALS HISTORY)

6) 0/5 on Game-Winners in the Finals

7) Holds the All-Time record for career Postseason TURNOVERS

8) Holds record for MOST MISSED SHOTS in a Finals series

9) Holds record for MOST MISSED SHOTS in a Finals game

10) Holds record for MOST TURNOVERS in a Finals series

11) Needed two of the biggest shots in NBA Finals history (Ray Allen 2013; Kyrie 2016)

Meltdown.

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Old 04-22-2017, 01:52 PM   #35
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Jordan played in the weakest era ever and not just the East.
He and his Bulls beat the

'93 Knicks
'93 Suns
'96 Magic
'96 Sonics
'97 Heat
'97 Jazz
'98 Jazz

That's 7x 60+ win caliber teams. Almost two per year. And the '91 Lakers, '92 Cavs, '92 Blazers and '93 Cavs were all better than their regular season record.

'96 Magic alone that got SWEPT would've been a 70 win team if Shaq didn't miss a third of the season.
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Old 04-22-2017, 01:56 PM   #36
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Default Re: Tracy McGrady: "LeBron will NEVER be better than Jordan."

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He and his Bulls beat the

'93 Knicks
'93 Suns
'96 Magic
'96 Sonics
'97 Heat
'97 Jazz
'98 Jazz

That's 7x 60+ win caliber teams. Almost two per year. And the '91 Lakers, '92 Cavs, '92 Blazers and '93 Cavs were all better than their regular season record.

'96 Magic alone would've been a 70 win team of Shaq didn't miss a third of the season.
How many combined titles out of those team? 0 . If they were great why didn't they do shit when MJ retired.
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Old 04-22-2017, 01:57 PM   #37
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Peak wise, MJ has the edge on Bron. No doubt in my mind about that. With MJ you had the ultimate all around player AND the ultimate killer in one package. MJ had the freak athletic ability AND defensive ability Bird and Magic didn't have. With Bron, he is very similar to Magic (6'8, triple double ability, can play as a supersized PG) and Bird (top two SF's ever, numbers wise and passing IQ wise, Bron and Bird are similar).

But Bron adds a Karl Malone body, freak athletic ability, and great defense. Yet with all that, MJ still has the edge on Bron. MJ's killer instinct and off ball ability are the main two reasons why. If Bird had the freak athletic ability and great defense, I think he would have been better than MJ. Because Bird was on MJ's level as a killer AND was a better shooter.

However, Bron will go down as the most versatile player of all time. When u look at his numbers, two way ability, and positional versatility, I would give him that crown. It's hard to top a guy who is on the Mt. Rushmore of pro sports PERIOD! U got MJ, Ali, and Babe Ruth for sure in that group. The 4th spot is arguable, but there three icons that are virtual locks. As great as Bron is, he's not on that kind of level.

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Old 04-22-2017, 01:58 PM   #38
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How many combined titles out of those team? 0 . If they were great why didn't they do shit when MJ retired.
Because MJ and his Bulls were beating them. You moron.



You're literally faulting MJ's comp because he WAS the one beating them? Do you know how counterintuitive and dumb that makes your argument sound?

'96 Sonics beat the back to back champ Rockets.

'94 Knicks, same team as '93, was a game 7 LeBron 2011 choke job performance from John Starks away from winning the championship that season.
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Because MJ and his Bulls were beating them. You moron.



You're literally faulting MJ's comp because he WAS the one beating them? Do you know how counterintuitive and dumb that makes your argument sound?

'96 Sonics beat the back to back champ Rockets.

'94 Knicks, same team as '93, was a game 7 LeBron 2011 choke job performance from John Starks away from winning the championship that season.
You missed the part when I say when MJ retired. 96 Rockets aren't 95 Rockets. Otherwised we can say, 95 rockets swept Magic, while Jordan lost to them. So we can conclude Jordan would never beat Hakeem.
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Old 04-22-2017, 02:11 PM   #40
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So MJ couldn't ever potentially play the 1995 Rockets in 1996. So, what's your point?

Only reason any team won rings in the 90s besides the Bulls was because Mike was either playing professional baseball or was really rusty.

It's definitely not an indictment on the multiple 60 win teams his Bulls spanked.

Mike was so good he made the competition look bad, and this is used as an argument AGAINST him?

I'm sorry they didn't let him shoot wide open jumpers and he lost to multiple teams ala LeBron 2007, nearly 2013, 2014, and 2015.

Thank god for Kyrie in 2016 ballin his ass off, going HAM on Stephanie and Klay.
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Old 04-22-2017, 02:16 PM   #41
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Mike couldn't win because he was rusty. What an excuse. Had nothing to do with Magic getting Horace Grant and Bulls didn't have Rodman yet.
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Old 04-22-2017, 02:26 PM   #42
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[quote=IllegalD]Why LeBron will NEVER be better than Jordan:

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1) 3-4 Finals record (with a chance to add more Finals losses). Since Jordan is 6-0 in the Finals then logically the only way LeBron can make up for his 4 finals losses is winning AT LEAST 1 more than Jordan (7). Which is what Brady did to make up for HIS Superbowl losses and have people put him over Montana. And this is all assuming he doesn't lose any more Finals...
LeBron could probably get to 7 if he quit for 2yrs starting next year to let his body/mind heal and hand pick the best rebounder/ defender the league has to offer.

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2) Has played in a historically sh*t Leastern Conference for his entire career with no legit competition.
The expansion era was watered down that MJ was smack right in the middle of when it started and ended. Very little Euro's in the league compared to today.

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3) Jumped teams TWICE in order to build Superteams and maximize his ring count in an artificial way that Jordan didn't do
2011 team won 54 games. If that's considerded a superteam, then there were plenty more before that. Jordan maximized his ring counting by quitting for 2yrs to rest up. Only to comeback with 17gms left in the reg. season and try to win a ring the cheapest way possible..... sneak in nthe back door and hope nobody notices. Kind of like the marathon runner who lumps in the race with 5 miles left is the perfect example.

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4) 2011 Finals (BIGGEST UPSET IN NBA FINALS HISTORY)
2006 was worse

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5) 2014 Finals (BIGGEST MARGIN OF LOSS IN NBA FINALS HISTORY)
James led his team in every postseason series in points, rebounds and assists. MJ's chance at a 4th straight Finals, he decided to quit on his team, IN HIS PRIME, while under contract. Wasn't mentally strong enough to go on.


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6) 0/5 on Game-Winners in the Finals
What's MJ's?

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7) Holds the All-Time record for career Postseason TURNOVERS
More games played

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8)Holds record for MOST MISSED SHOTS in a Finals series
Had no other options. Kyrie and Love were out, yet he still garnered 2 FMVP votes!!

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9) Holds record for MOST MISSED SHOTS in a Finals game
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That's ^^^ much worse cause it's against 1st round competition.

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10) Holds record for MOST TURNOVERS in a Finals series
Tied with Magic at 31. Big difference though....Cavs won, Lakers lost.
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11) Needed two of the biggest shots in NBA Finals history (Ray Allen 2013; Kyrie 2016)
Good thing James put the Heat close enough for that shot by Ray to tie it and still 56 seconds left when Kyrie put Cavs up by 3. Yet James sealed it when he put Cavs up by 4 with the free throw.

#THEBLOCK #WITNESS


That takes care of that.....can I get some Fish now please?

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Old 04-22-2017, 02:29 PM   #43
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True but they had already drafted Wiggins and while I defend LeBron as much as possible, it's likely he had conversations beforehand saying that you guys need to trade Wiggins for another star... and they probably agreed to it.
It doesn't matter if K. love signs off on it.....management/ownership had the final say.
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It doesn't matter if K. love signs off on it.....management/ownership had the final say.

Lol. Multiple sources knew that the Cavs were gonna sign K Love days after they got Lebron back. Even Wiggins knew. Lol.

You don't feel a little shameful trying to re-write history when it was only about 3 years ago?
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He and his Bulls beat the

'93 Knicks
'93 Suns
'96 Magic
'96 Sonics
'97 Heat
'97 Jazz
'98 Jazz

That's 7x 60+ win caliber teams. Almost two per year. And the '91 Lakers, '92 Cavs, '92 Blazers and '93 Cavs were all better than their regular season record.

'96 Magic alone that got SWEPT would've been a 70 win team if Shaq didn't miss a third of the season.
All playoff teams had inflated win totals due to the watered down expansion era.
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