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Old 06-03-2007, 01:55 AM   #391
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i'm down in cleve hts, don't hear any gunshots but hear horns and partying people running about for the last couple hours.

i also was starting to come out of my shock when they showed a street scene from cleveland and the celebrating fans were dancing and shouting and i freaked out again realizing that A) they had cleveland jerseys on; B) it was post-game, and C) MY TEAM IS IN THE FINALS!!

yeah, i've waiting most of my life for this, since i started digging on this player called world b. free.

god bless craig ehlo and the ghost of michael jordan.

the cavs are in the finals and anything is possible.

even though the spurs are the favorites i wouldn't want to be them, i wouldn't want to be anyone in the way of lebron right now.
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Old 06-03-2007, 01:58 AM   #392
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i'm down in cleve hts.

I'm out in Maple Hts. not cleveland hts
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Old 06-03-2007, 02:05 AM   #393
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Just got back from watching this with some guys at a friend's house. Amazing game by Cleveland in all respects: on the boards, defensively, with their poise, and with everyone stepping up when it mattered. Detroit got outworked, and I felt they went too hard at Lebron defensively after his game 5 explosion, which compromised their defense and left them scrambling.


Detroit was ice cold tonight, but give the Cavs' defense a lot of credit -- even on the second and third pass around the horn, they were recovering and managing to get hands up to contest shots. If teams continue to play Lebron like this he's going to be putting up sick numbers in a couple of years as his off the ball game develops. One thing I noticed about Lebron is that he passes out of double teams almost immediately (which is what you should be doing, but which many star players don't do and end up trying to do too much and either turning it over or throwing their offense out of whack). However, once he passes it he doesn't move off the ball well, doesn't make hard cuts etc. That's not a knock, since very few players his age have a great off the ball game, but once he gets that, and gets passers who are able to get it back to him on the move in spots where teams can't locate him to double, he's going to be even more potent. It's to his credit that he gives the ball up as willingly and quickly as he does when the double starts to come, though.


There was a point with about 4:00 to go when Detroit got a couple of trips to the line on consecutive possessions (including one trip where it seemed like they got 5 offensive boards) and cut it to around 12, where I thought that they had a slim chance to come back if they could keep attacking and stopping the clock. But the Cavs -- especially Gibson -- kept coming at them. Sheed was tragic tonight, probably a combination of being frustrated with his own poor play and Varejao getting under his skin with his physical, pestering defense (and flopping). He just imploded...as usual. Hunter also made some boneheaded decisions that didn't help -- a couple of ill-advised shots and then a stupid halfhearted breakaway foul on Lebron to give him the 3-point play when the game was still close (a 4 point lead turned to 7 on that play). I mean, either foul him hard or let him go -- no use compounding your error. Ilgauskas was huge in the minutes he played; tonight it looked like he finally realized, "hey, I have 5" and 30 pounds on the biggest Pistons player - let me use it."


Lebron and the Cavs deserve a ton of credit for winning this series and getting to the Finals. As easy as his road to the conference finals was -- and, make no mistake, it was pretty easy -- no one expected them to beat Detroit. The odds on this series had to be at least 3-1 in the Pistons' favor. As I said after Lebron's 48-point game 5, Detroit is in the midst of a crisis of leadership. None of the great players of the past -- Hakeem, Jordan, Bird, Magic, Isiah -- would have allowed their team to fall apart like this. There's no one on that Detroit team who is capable of looking Lebron in the eye and saying, "you're not winning this game." Ultimately, this is why teams built on the "many parts" model are susceptible to teams of the "two superstar" archetype (or in this case the "one superstar" model ) -- they're vulnerable to dominant, dynamic players who can impose their will upon a game.


But "big picture" wise, the NBA is suffering from a leadership drought at the top imo. Nash is a big game player, but I still worry about the Suns in close games. Dirk is, well, Dirk. We saw the Pistons' lack of leadership this series. Wade is good, but I don't think his team will be in contention again soon unless they make some moves. Really, the only top shelf team that features solid, tested, and capable leadership is San Antonio, which is why they're the odds-on favorite to win it all. But even Duncan's leadership will be tested at least a couple of times the upcoming series.
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Old 06-03-2007, 10:52 AM   #394
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I remember going to a Cavs game back in 2002 vs. the Miami Heat. I bought courtside seats from a scalper for $40. There might've been 5,000 fans in the arena that night. You could clearly make out the squeaking of the shoes, and what the players were yelling on the court. The "crowd" was dead, and the entire upperdeck was essentially empty. The gaudy blue seats really stood out.

During halftime, I went up to the souvenier stands and bought a Darius Miles Cavs shirt. That same shirt was worn last night as a backlash towards the sea of LeBron jerseys and "Witness" shirts. See, most of those people weren't there in 2002. They weren't there for the pain and suffering of no playoff seasons between 98-06. I feel as if I'm enjoying this more, and I reluctantly declare this moment to be better than Lamond Murray's game winning shot vs. the New Jersey Nets in 2002.

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congrats cavs fans! huge win! lebron is reminding me of larry bird with his ability to switch back and forth between dominating the scoring and dominating with passing and crushing the back boards. i have a feeling you guys are going to be a staple in the finals for a long time. and i hope gibson can keep this up too!
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Great Dan Wetzel column about how LeBron did more than just score, pass, and rebound, to win this series. His leadership is ridiculous! Puts Kobe to shame.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_yl...yhoo&type=lgns
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Old 06-03-2007, 02:47 PM   #397
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I remember going to a Cavs game back in 2002 vs. the Miami Heat. I bought courtside seats from a scalper for $40. There might've been 5,000 fans in the arena that night. You could clearly make out the squeaking of the shoes, and what the players were yelling on the court. The "crowd" was dead, and the entire upperdeck was essentially empty. The gaudy blue seats really stood out.

During halftime, I went up to the souvenier stands and bought a Darius Miles Cavs shirt. That same shirt was worn last night as a backlash towards the sea of LeBron jerseys and "Witness" shirts. See, most of those people weren't there in 2002. They weren't there for the pain and suffering of no playoff seasons between 98-06. I feel as if I'm enjoying this more, and I reluctantly declare this moment to be better than Lamond Murray's game winning shot vs. the New Jersey Nets in 2002.

I went to Michael Jordan's last game in Cleveland in '03 and it was the same way. Even with Jordan in the building, the crowd was relatively sparse and very quiet.

There are very few of us who actually have 'witnessed' this franchise's transformation. I'm just in shock at how short of a period of time it took.

What that one ping-pong ball did to this city... it has been nothing short of amazing.

Btw, watching Jordan (even at his old age) work without the ball live in person was an absolute thing of beauty. If LeBron could ever develop that (as Loki rightly points out), look out.
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I went to Michael Jordan's last game in Cleveland in '03 and it was the same way. Even with Jordan in the building, the crowd was relatively sparse and very quiet.

There are very few of us who actually have 'witnessed' this franchise's transformation. I'm just in shock at how short of a period of time it took.

What that one ping-pong ball did to this city... it has been nothing short of amazing.

Btw, watching Jordan (even at his old age) work without the ball live in person was an absolute thing of beauty. If LeBron could ever develop that (as Loki rightly points out), look out.


I saw Jordan in 02. Prob. more than half the fans there that night were wearing Jordan jerseys. The only Cavs fans in the building were there to see Jordan.

The building itself used to be such an eyesore. The colors on the court, matched up with the empty seats, were hideous. The lower level seats in the corners were ALWAYS empty--no matter what teams the Cavs were playing that night. The scoreboard was very poor, and the place felt like some cheap strip mall

I was there to support them in those days, and I wish I had the money to see them in their finest hour. The building instead will be full of people with "Witness" shirts. Where were you people 5 years ago?
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I saw Jordan in 02. Prob. more than half the fans there that night were wearing Jordan jerseys. The only Cavs fans in the building were there to see Jordan.

The building itself used to be such an eyesore. The colors on the court, matched up with the empty seats, were hideous. The lower level seats in the corners were ALWAYS empty--no matter what teams the Cavs were playing that night. The scoreboard was very poor, and the place felt like some cheap strip mall

I was there to support them in those days, and I wish I had the money to see them in their finest hour. The building instead will be full of people with "Witness" shirts. Where were you people 5 years ago?
i saw mj there in 98. pretty rauchous crowd in the gund that night actually. that's when y'all had kemp (pre fat) and derek anderson was a rook. fun time actually. never got to a game in cleveland during the price / daugherty era, but the crowds were said to be really good then. i think it's awesome that cleveland fans finally have a real shot at a title after all these years.
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I saw Jordan in 02. Prob. more than half the fans there that night were wearing Jordan jerseys. The only Cavs fans in the building were there to see Jordan.

The building itself used to be such an eyesore. The colors on the court, matched up with the empty seats, were hideous. The lower level seats in the corners were ALWAYS empty--no matter what teams the Cavs were playing that night. The scoreboard was very poor, and the place felt like some cheap strip mall

I was there to support them in those days, and I wish I had the money to see them in their finest hour. The building instead will be full of people with "Witness" shirts. Where were you people 5 years ago?

Exactly. I remember going to a Cavs/Knicks game in 02. We had tickets that were 3 rows from the back of the arena and we just walked down to the lower level seats and sat in some empty ones. They didn't care as long as you weren't taking anyone else's seats

My sister works at TJMaxx and she said people were coming in after last night and saying "do you have any clothes with the Cavs logo on it? I don't care what it is my kids just told me to buy them some Cavs stuff". Stuff like that pisses me off. Like you said where were they when we were losing? And now the loyal fans can't afford to see the Cavs where they are now
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Exactly. I remember going to a Cavs/Knicks game in 02. We had tickets that were 3 rows from the back of the arena and we just walked down to the lower level seats and sat in some empty ones. They didn't care as long as you weren't taking anyone else's seats

My sister works at TJMaxx and she said people were coming in after last night and saying "do you have any clothes with the Cavs logo on it? I don't care what it is my kids just told me to buy them some Cavs stuff". Stuff like that pisses me off. Like you said where were they when we were losing? And now the loyal fans can't afford to see the Cavs where they are now


Those damn Witness shirts are gonna be the downfall of Western Civilization. fukin EVERYONE has one. Middle age men, soccer mom's, grandma's........It's INSANE! If you're gonna get a Cavs/LeBron shirt, at least try to fine one that a lot of other people might not have. Go on e-bay and buy a Ricky Davis jersey or something *lol*
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For the Cavs, KEYS TO WINNING AN NBA CHAMPIONSHIP:

- Lebron James must GO OFF (28 ppg or more)
- Daniel Gibson continues to shine
- 35 Free Throws or better every game (80% or better made)
- Scot (Meathead) Pollard is utilized for his six fouls (the Spurs have some
bad Free Throw shooters)
- Minimize turnovers and Offensive Rebound like no other


GO CAVS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Those damn Witness shirts are gonna be the downfall of Western Civilization. fukin EVERYONE has one. Middle age men, soccer mom's, grandma's........It's INSANE! If you're gonna get a Cavs/LeBron shirt, at least try to fine one that a lot of other people might not have. Go on e-bay and buy a Ricky Davis jersey or something *lol*

lol i have a witness shirt but yeah they're everywhere now. I wish those EC champion shirts came in black cuz i don't want white, gray or pink. I still have my Cavs t-shirt from 99 when i was a counselor at a Cavs basketball camp...maybe i'll bring that back out haha
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