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Old 09-11-2017, 09:59 AM   #151
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I have watched some 20 min footage of Game 5 (1970 Finals) - I don't know if the whole game is available. And from I have seen in this footage Wilt started greatly (even with Reed on the court), but then when Reed goes out and was guarded by Debusschere he wanted the ball with high hand in the air on several occasions and no one pass to him. He was mobile enough even in that footage, chalenged some shots closely and even outside, but Knicks played something which we called today small ball. Lakers with too many mistakes. These were my observation.
About Lucas finest game in Game 1 from 1972 Finals - in that game Wilt also don't have a single block (I have that info), after that I have the following data: Game 3 9 blocks, Game 4 - Wilt with 2 blocks in OT (don't have info about regular time), Game 5 - 10 blocks. If the Regul8r data is correct it would mean that Wilt blocked all the shots in the last four games.

That game 5 was interesting. Wilt was crushing Reed in the first quarter, and then Reed went down with his injury.

And even though LA massively outshot the Knicks from the FT line in that game five (and entire series),... in Cherry's book on Wilt, the NT Times writer Leonard Koppett (I believe...I don't have the book available right now)...claimed that the Knicks got away with everything short of manslaughter in the second half. Wilt took THREE shots in the second half, and West took TWO. Game five was essentially the series. LA adjusted for game six, and Chamberlain just overwhelmed the Knick front-line (and as I have pointed out...he was facing the same type of stiff in that game six, that Shaq faced in most of his three-peat Finals...especially in '02.)


All I can remember from ThaRegul8r's blocks were something like 7.4 bpg in the '72 Finals. And I suspect that includes 10 blocks in game five (albeit, I believe the actual count was only 8.)
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Kareem is everything that Wilt SHOULD have been. Unfortunately he never lived up to his expectations
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Kareem is everything that Wilt SHOULD have been. Unfortunately he never lived up to his expectations

Yep. If only Wilt would have a prime MAGIC for TEN seasons.

BTW, a prime Kareem, in his first ten seasons, and PRE-MAGIC... Two Finals, and ONE ring.
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Yep. If only Wilt would have a prime MAGIC for TEN seasons.

BTW, a prime Kareem, in his first ten seasons, and PRE-MAGIC... Two Finals, and ONE ring.
imagine how many rings he would of won with a 40ppg sidekick
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Yep. If only Wilt would have a prime MAGIC for TEN seasons.

BTW, a prime Kareem, in his first ten seasons, and PRE-MAGIC... Two Finals, and ONE ring.
Prime Magic w/o Kareem .... 1 Finals, no rings.
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Prime Magic w/o Kareem .... 1 Finals, no rings.

Yep...couldn't have won a ring in '88 with KAJ's 13 ppg, 4 rpg, .413 FG% seven game Finals...including his 4 pt, 3 reb, 2-7 FG/FGA, 5 PF game seven, in which his two opposing centers combined for 28-17.

Oh, and who can forget KAJ's great clinching game six in the '80 Finals? Oh wait, he was watching MAGIC carrying that Laker team to their biggest win in the series, all from the luxury of his couch.

Magic carried KAJ EVERY season from '80 thru '89.
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imagine how many rings he would of won with a 40ppg sidekick

And yet, with that same side-kick shooting .325 from the floor in the '72 Finals, it was WILT carrying that team to a title.

West had exactly ONE complete post-season in which he was a factor alongside Wilt. Even in '70, he blew chunks all over the floor in game seven.

After that, he was either missing the playoffs, or was mediocre in them.

BTW, had Wilt taken 33 FGAs per game in the '69 (ala LeCHUNK in '15), he would have averaged 45 ppg.
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Prime Magic w/o Kareem .... 1 Finals, no rings.

Why, thank you, since nobody calls Magic a loser, this helps Wilt's case tremendously.
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Yep...couldn't have won a ring in '88 with KAJ's 13 ppg, 4 rpg, .413 FG% seven game Finals...including his 4 pt, 3 reb, 2-7 FG/FGA, 5 PF game seven, in which his two opposing centers combined for 28-17.

Oh, and who can forget KAJ's great clinching game six in the '80 Finals? Oh wait, he was watching MAGIC carrying that Laker team to their biggest win in the series, all from the luxury of his couch.

Magic carried KAJ EVERY season from '80 thru '89.
"Jamaal “Silk” Wilkes outplayed Julius Erving in Game 6 with a career-high 37 points against Dr. J’s 27 to help the Lakers win the second title in franchise history. Game 6 was tied at the half, but the Lakers blew it open by scoring 14 straight points to start the 3rd quarter.

Silk scored 16 points in the period and was the Lakers’ leading scorer until Magic passed him with some free throws when the 76ers started fouling at the end of the game. Wilkes also finished the game with 10 rebounds.


Kareem averaged 33 points, 14 rebounds and 5 blocks in the first 5 games of the series.

Yeah.....carried by Tragic for 10yrs....
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"Jamaal “Silk” Wilkes outplayed Julius Erving in Game 6 with a career-high 37 points against Dr. J’s 27 to help the Lakers win the second title in franchise history. Game 6 was tied at the half, but the Lakers blew it open by scoring 14 straight points to start the 3rd quarter.

Silk scored 16 points in the period and was the Lakers’ leading scorer until Magic passed him with some free throws when the 76ers started fouling at the end of the game. Wilkes also finished the game with 10 rebounds.


Kareem averaged 33 points, 14 rebounds and 5 blocks in the first 5 games of the series.

Yeah.....carried by Tragic for 10yrs....



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Magic had other plans. Starting at center, he played all but one minute and exploded for 42 points, 15 rebounds and seven assists, including an impressive 14-of-14 from the line. While Magic wasn't technically playing center for much of the night -- Jim Chones and Mark Landsberger handled that -- he played every spot on the floor during the course of the evening and even launched a Kareem-style skyhook from the post to start the game. More importantly, his work on the boards was a huge factor in the Lakers' ability to overcome Kareem's absence.

Had there not been such high stakes or a need to switch positions, this was still an impressive performance, ranking 13th-best in Game Score among post-merger Finals games. And the final score doesn't indicate how important Johnson's performance was. The Lakers were clinging to a two-point lead with just over five minutes left before Magic scored nine points in L.A.'s closing kick.

Not to mention that Magic LED both teams in rebounding, and by a fat margin. He also DICTATED the pace of the game from the outset, and completely wore the Sixers out with his unrelenting fast-break. And again, winning that game by the largest margin of the series.

Before that game started, Bill Russell was asked about Kareem's absence. He said, "I wonder where they are going to get 33 points and 14 rebounds from?" Well, there you go. 42-15-7...and arguably, the greatest clinching game performance in NBA Finals history.

But yes, please mention side-show Wilkes.

Here was REALITY my friend.

Virtually EVERY player that Magic played with in his career, had, BY FAR, their most efficient shooting seasons of their careers..including KAJ. BY FAR. Wilkes, Thompson, Worthy, Scott, and yes, Kareem. The list is nearly endless.

Wilkes was particularly interesting. He managed to win a ring before Magic...and before Kareem. Yet, when he joined a team with Adrian Dantley, Norm Nixon, Lou Hudson, and your boy Kareem...a team that was, by far, the most stacked in the league at the time, they were blown out two years in a row by a Sonics team with one borderline HOFer. Magic arrived, and LA destroyed that same Sonics team (only morer loaded) in the WCF's.

Of course, when MAGIC arrived, Wilkes scoring and efficiecncy exploded. Just one of so many examples of the true greatness of MAGIC.

Without MAGIC, Kareem would have retired sometime in the early 80's, bankrupt, and with a legacy of having one of the most disappointing careers in the history of the NBA. MAGIC PROVED that he could win without Kareem. He stepped up in LA's biggest game in his ROOKIE season....when cry-baby Kareem, with a sore ankle decided to watch the game from his couch.

And then in '88, he CARRIED a Laker team with a WORTHLESS POS Kareem to a title. And to be honest, in the '87 season, LA could easily have given Kareem's minutes to AC Green and Mychal Thompson and still waltzed to a title...in a Finals in which MAGIC was BY FAR the best player on the floor.

BTW, Magic's career W-L% withOUT Kareem... .743. In fact, when the two were on the same team, and when Magic missed games... KAJ had a .604 W-L%. When Kareem missed games, Magic had a ... .750 W-L%!

NO QUESTION, it was MAGIC from DAY ONE.
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