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Old 09-02-2017, 08:47 PM   #1
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Default Dirk Nowitzki Schools Kevin Garnett's Defense - 2002 Playoffs 1st Rd

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Old 09-02-2017, 09:00 PM   #2
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Wow, a total lack of grace and a complete waste of time. I can't believe they caught all five plays where Dirk scored on KG in that series.
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Old 09-02-2017, 09:03 PM   #3
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I'll admit he did outplay KG

You still can't deny the rest of the team was completely dreadful though. What's funny is that even despite Dirk kicking his ass, KG still had the lowest DRTG by FAR of the people who played the most for the Wolves.

Peeler: 67 MP 111 DRTG
Garnett: 130 MP 111 DRTG
Mitchell: 34 MP 115 DRTG
Nesterovic: 92 MP 118 DRTG
Billups: 134 MP 120 DRTG
Szczerbiak: 131 MP 121 DRTG
Pack: 10 MP 123 DRTG
Smith: 43 MP 123 DRTG
Trent: 48 MP 124 DRTG
Lopez: 30 MP 128 DRTG
Jackson: 1 MP 129 DRTG

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Old 09-02-2017, 09:19 PM   #4
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As good as KG was on defense there was no stopping Dirk

The only thing that could stop Dirk is his own mental weakness prior to 2011
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Old 09-02-2017, 09:28 PM   #5
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On one hand the series wasnt a fair matchup...but otoh it was a common theme in dirks career to outplay more well rounded HOF power forwards.

Should be a lesson to all...the ability to accurately put the ball in the hoop under any circumstance is the most coveted trait in basketball.
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Old 09-02-2017, 09:45 PM   #6
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On one hand the series wasnt a fair matchup...but otoh it was a common theme in dirks career to outplay more well rounded HOF power forwards.

Should be a lesson to all...the ability to accurately put the ball in the hoop under any circumstance is the most coveted trait in basketball.
I'm not so sure I agree with that.

It is so much easier to find a good offensive player than it is to find a truly good defensive player. And I'm not talking about all these scrub's labeled "3 and d" players, I mean actual good defenders.
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Old 09-02-2017, 10:00 PM   #7
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I'm not so sure I agree with that.

It is so much easier to find a good offensive player than it is to find a truly good defensive player. And I'm not talking about all these scrub's labeled "3 and d" players, I mean actual good defenders.


That's not true at all...finding true clutch offensive talent is the highest premium in this sport. ANY body can play defense if they want. We see that with guys like Matthew dellavdova..its just effort and discipline. Every skill in basketball can be replaced with effort EXCEPT putting the ball in the hole in adverse situations. THAT is where true talent shines and if they have the all around stuff on top of that its just a cherry.
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Old 09-02-2017, 10:42 PM   #8
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I'm not so sure I agree with that.

It is so much easier to find a good offensive player than it is to find a truly good defensive player. And I'm not talking about all these scrub's labeled "3 and d" players, I mean actual good defenders.

So you think a guy like Ben Wallace then is clear cut better than Steve Nash, for example?
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Old 09-02-2017, 11:21 PM   #9
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So you think a guy like Ben Wallace then is clear cut better than Steve Nash, for example?


No that is absurd. Offense is way more valuable in basketball, especially considering that you have to score so much.
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Old 09-02-2017, 11:59 PM   #10
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Default Re: Dirk Nowitzki Schools Kevin Garnett's Defense - 2002 Playoffs 1st Rd

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I'll admit he did outplay KG

You still can't deny the rest of the team was completely dreadful though. What's funny is that even despite Dirk kicking his ass, KG still had the lowest DRTG by FAR of the people who played the most for the Wolves.

Peeler: 67 MP 111 DRTG
Garnett: 130 MP 111 DRTG
Mitchell: 34 MP 115 DRTG
Nesterovic: 92 MP 118 DRTG
Billups: 134 MP 120 DRTG
Szczerbiak: 131 MP 121 DRTG
Pack: 10 MP 123 DRTG
Smith: 43 MP 123 DRTG
Trent: 48 MP 124 DRTG
Lopez: 30 MP 128 DRTG
Jackson: 1 MP 129 DRTG


Because Kevin Garnett is great team defender. Great team defensive players have a bigger impact than great one on one defensive players. KG was always everywhere helping the rest of his teammates on any given play.
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Old 09-03-2017, 12:00 AM   #11
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On one hand the series wasnt a fair matchup...but otoh it was a common theme in dirks career to outplay more well rounded HOF power forwards.

Should be a lesson to all...the ability to accurately put the ball in the hoop under any circumstance is the most coveted trait in basketball.

Kevin Garnett at his best is better than Dirk at his best. His 2004 season is one of the 10 greatest ever by anyone.
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Old 09-03-2017, 12:02 AM   #12
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No that is absurd. Offense is way more valuable in basketball, especially considering that you have to score so much.

Not really. It's just as important to stop the other team from scoring as it is scoring yourself. The Pistons were only the 17th ranked offense in 05...they won with their defense.
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Old 09-03-2017, 12:35 AM   #13
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That's not true at all...finding true clutch offensive talent is the highest premium in this sport. ANY body can play defense if they want. We see that with guys like Matthew dellavdova..its just effort and discipline. Every skill in basketball can be replaced with effort EXCEPT putting the ball in the hole in adverse situations. THAT is where true talent shines and if they have the all around stuff on top of that its just a cherry.
I said "truly good defensive players". Delly is a scrub and his defense isn't even that good.

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So you think a guy like Ben Wallace then is clear cut better than Steve Nash, for example?

Prime Wallace might just be the greatest defensive player ever and was the key cog to a championship team.

Just look at the 03-04 season when they won the championship:

First round: Milwaukee (106.5 ORTG 4th in league) - 95.8 ORTG
Second round: Nets (100.8 ORTG 25th in league) - 93.5 ORTG
Third round: Pacers (103.8 ORTG 9th in league) - 87.8 ORTG
Finals: Lakers (105.5 ORTG 6th in league) - 96.1 ORTG

I'm not talking about run of the mill defenders, I'm talking about truly elite. They are very rare which is why they are so sought after. It's much easier to find offensive talent than it is defensive talent.

Utah isn't even a playoff team last year if they didn't have Gobert.

Who do you think is more impactful?

Draymond

or

Lou Williams?
Jamal Crawford?
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Old 09-03-2017, 12:45 AM   #14
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Default Re: Dirk Nowitzki Schools Kevin Garnett's Defense - 2002 Playoffs 1st Rd

Lol, 3 minutes of highlights consisting of maybe 10 plays from an entire series.
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Old 09-03-2017, 04:23 AM   #15
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Lol, 3 minutes of highlights consisting of maybe 10 plays from an entire series.

So what you're saying is... KG was too chicken shit to cover Dirk and the TWolves stuck Rasho on him instead.
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