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Old 09-19-2017, 03:33 PM   #16
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Default Re: Hurricane Maria is now a Cat 5

Okay we'll just say the past 100 years then.

A. We know hurricanes on a global level have been growing more frequent as well as bigger/stronger over the past 100 years

B. We know the Earth has gotten warmer over the past 100 years



Why in the fck do we have to pretend this gradual warming has not caused the gradual growth/frequency of hurricanes? Why pin it on coincidence? Why is it so hard for the right to view this objectively?
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Old 09-19-2017, 03:37 PM   #17
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Hurricanes overall...global...have been more frequent and more powerful since 1850. You can single out islands or maybe just Florida to make it look like 'luck' but overall hurricanes are getting bigger and stronger over recent time.

Some of the worst happened in the 1920s and 1930s. Was that due to warming? Atlantic hurricanes are frequent. There's this thing called a hurricane season that runs from June-November every year. Sometimes these things hit populated areas and sometimes they miss. When they do hit the amount of damage often depends on the conditions pre-storm. Houston for example is prone to flooding and the total lack of any zoning laws only exacerbates the problem.
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Old 09-19-2017, 03:44 PM   #18
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Some of the worst happened in the 1920s and 1930s. Was that due to warming? Atlantic hurricanes are frequent. There's this thing called a hurricane season that runs from June-November every year. Sometimes these things hit populated areas and sometimes they miss. When they do hit the amount of damage often depends on the conditions pre-storm. Houston for example is prone to flooding and the total lack of any zoning laws only exacerbates the problem.
yeah what you are doing is singling out cities and what has caused damage...maybe the 20s and 30s were very warm, idk.

here is the National Hurricane Center:
http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/climo/images...torm_Count.jpg

Overall there have been gradually more recorded hurricanes since 1850

And overall those hurricanes have been becoming gradually stronger.

Also over time the weather has been gradually warmer...warm weather causes accumulation/evaporation/etc.

I mean...come on...this should just be viewed as common sense...why remain hard headed?
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Overall there have been gradually more recorded hurricanes since 1850

How did they record hurricanes and grade them in the 1800s?
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Old 09-19-2017, 03:48 PM   #20
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How did they record hurricanes and grade them in the 1800s?
You can leave out the 1800s if you want...they've been more frequent/stronger since 1900 too.
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You can leave out the 1800s if you want...they've been more frequent/stronger since 1900 too.

... okay so from 1900 to 1980, how did they monitor hurricanes?

EDIT: Just looked it up, according to weather.com - the presence of a hurricane and its strength was basically from ships and radar. It wasn't until the GEOS sattalite in the mid-70s they started to monitor hurricanes.

So really, all our of data in terms of strength or category of hurricane comes from the last 45ish years

source: https://weather.com/safety/hurricane...canes-20120330

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Old 09-19-2017, 03:51 PM   #22
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... okay so from 1900 to 1980, how did they monitor hurricanes?

I think it was in the 1940s that the Navy started flying planes directly into storms to collect data. A practice still performed today.
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Trying to discredit the data to fit your agenda.

You can STILL have the agenda of "humans aren't causing the Earth to warm that's just natural" and acknowledge that warmer weather equates to stronger hurricanes BTW.

At least try to limit your ignorance.
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Trying to discredit the data to fit your agenda.

You can STILL have the agenda of "humans aren't causing the Earth to warm that's just natural" and acknowledge that warmer weather equates to stronger hurricanes BTW.

At least try to limit your ignorance.

who are you even talking to?
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Old 09-19-2017, 04:01 PM   #25
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You can leave out the 1800s if you want...they've been more frequent/stronger since 1900 too.

Remember that ACE index from my quote a few posts ago?

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Though not necessarily indicative of impact, a better way to rank the most extreme hurricane seasons is using a parameter called the ACE (Accumulated Cyclone Energy) index, calculated by adding each tropical storm or hurricane's wind speed through its life cycle.

Find the pattern:

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Rank Year ACE Index
1. 2005 250
2. 1950 243
3. 1893 231
4. 1995 228
5. 2004 227
6. 1926 222
7. 1933 213
8. 1961 205
9. 1955 199
10. 1998 182

Hint: There isn't one.
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I think it was in the 1940s that the Navy started flying planes directly into storms to collect data. A practice still performed today.

While that's true, it is not to categorize the hurricane - which is done by measuring wind speed/gust speed etc. through the use of satellites.
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Old 09-19-2017, 04:09 PM   #28
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Where exactly have I denied global warming?

If anyone is altering statistics to fit their agenda it's you.

You went from making a blanket statement to restricting the years of measuring hurricanes.

I mean if someone says hurricanes are stronger now than ever, the next few logical questions anyone with a brain asks is how long have they been measuring hurricanes and has it been consistent

Both of which FAIL when it comes to your blanket statement. They've only been measuring hurricanes the last two centuries and standardized measurements the last 4-5 decades.

I don't quite feel like doing the statistics, but more than likely if you analyzed the hurricanes this year being considered the worse, it would not be a statistically significant
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While that's true, it is not to categorize the hurricane - which is done by measuring wind speed/gust speed etc. through the use of satellites.

The planes measure that stuff too.
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Where exactly have I denied global warming?

If anyone is altering statistics to fit their agenda it's you.

You went from making a blanket statement to restricting the years of measuring hurricanes.

I mean if someone says hurricanes are stronger now than ever, the next few logical questions anyone with a brain asks is how long have they been measuring hurricanes and has it been consistent

Both of which FAIL when it comes to your blanket statement. They've only been measuring hurricanes the last two centuries and standardized measurements the last 4-5 decades.

I don't quite feel like doing the statistics, but more than likely if you analyzed the hurricanes this year being considered the worse, it would not be a statistically significant
okay so you agree that earth is warming? my bad then. You're the one restricting data though, not me. I was just trying to fit everything to YOUR parameters.

Really it shouldn't be that difficult for you to think that increased temp at least 'could be' affecting hurricanes though. The data is there, even in just the past 45 years.
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