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Old 09-26-2017, 05:12 PM   #31
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https://www.ksl.com/?sid=45944545&ni...ts-absent-star

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Though Hayward isn’t the first player the Jazz have lost in free agency, Hayward’s departure was the first that truly fell outside of the team’s control.

Bullshit! This is completely on them. They have never been all in. He would have been stupid to stay

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The Jazz were aggressive last season in surrounding Hayward with complementary pieces, notably George Hill, and found success on the floor that should have made an appealing case for him to stay, winning a first-round matchup over the higher-seeded Los Angeles Clippers.

And yet they were still never all in. Saving money to get Ricky!

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while the additions of Thabo Sefolosha and Jonas Jerebko were intended to replace some of what the team lost in Hayward’s multifaceted skillset.

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Old 09-26-2017, 05:19 PM   #32
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http://www.sltrib.com/sports/jazz/20...-else-defense/

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For the third straight season, the Jazz will have a different starter at point guard

It's at least 4. Rubio, Hill, Neto/Mack, Burke

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The second unit will be almost exclusively comprised of new faces, including rookie guard Donovan Mitchell and veteran small forward Thabo Sefalosha.

We'll see. One of them could start. No guarantee either is in the rotation either.

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The Jazz have made a habit of bringing in famous basketball minds to watch practice, and then pick their brains afterwards.
Tom Thibadeau dropped by two years ago, before he went to the Minnesota Timberwolves. On Tuesday it was former Los Angeles Lakers general manager Mitch Kupchak.

Going to have a 5th GM in the front office?
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Old 09-26-2017, 05:31 PM   #33
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https://www.deseretnews.com/article/...ooking-up.html

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"Ultimately, the Jazz will have to find a go-to scorer to replace the shot creation lost with Hayward and George Hill both signing elsewhere," Pelton wrote. "If that player is found, Utah will remain competitive through Gobert's prime."

Maybe next year
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Old 09-26-2017, 05:33 PM   #34
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https://www.deseretnews.com/article/...0-players.html

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The 6-foot-7, 210-pound Braun played collegiately at North Dakota State and has spent the last three years playing in Europe. He first played for a team in Belgium and then was in Germany last season, where he averaged 8.0 points, 3.8 rebounds and 1.6 assists per game.

The Stars new coach is German. Might be why he got a spot?
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Old 09-26-2017, 05:41 PM   #35
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https://www.slcdunk.com/2017/9/26/16...ors-alec-burks

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Hoops Hype has continued projecting the best players at each position. They’ve got their top 30 centers, and Rudy Gobert lands in what some would consider a controversial 4th.

Who's better?

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Because of the Jazz's depth, the Jazz almost seem poised to make a trade.

There appears to be a player on the trading block who could replace the scoring role lost by the Jazz when Gordon Hayward signed in free agency with the Boston Celtics--namely, Carmelo Anthony.
Would Carmelo Anthony fit on this roster? If not, what star would you most pursue that could reasonably become available this season?

No thanks. Exum can't be considered depth until he shows he can play
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Old 09-26-2017, 05:43 PM   #36
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http://*********.com/2017/09/25/we-h...s-for-2017-18/

Towns and Jokic have to play better D to be ahead of Rudy though Rudy may not be as good offesnively this year with the squad around him. Cousins!
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Old 09-26-2017, 05:44 PM   #37
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Gasol and a healthy Embiid are the only ones I could really see until someone proves otherwise
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Old 09-27-2017, 08:07 AM   #38
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https://www.ksl.com/?sid=45950153&ni...2017-18-season

Taylor Braun signed with the Jazz on Tuesday morning, giving the Jazz their 20th player. He's a North Dakota State alum, who most recently played with ratiopharm Ulm of the German Bundesliga. That Bundesliga tie, and the overwhelming likelihood that Braun is cut and is sent to the SLC Stars, means that new Stars head coach (and former Bundesliga head coach) Martin Schiller has his fingerprints all over this move.
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Old 09-27-2017, 08:17 AM   #39
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http://www.sltrib.com/sports/jazz/20...ordon-hayward/

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With Ricky [Rubio] and Rudy [Gobert] on the pick and roll and I’m on the wing, I get a lot more open shots than I got in the past.”

Because they will leave you open until you show you can hit them consistently

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“It’s a good question, and it’s one that’s a complicated question,” Snyder said. “I wouldn’t look at somebody and say he’s going to do what Gordon did.”

others will do it for you
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Old 09-27-2017, 08:25 AM   #40
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https://www.slcdunk.com/2017/9/26/16...s-jerebko-11th

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I could see him playing his way into Quin Snyder’s rotation if things go right for him. He’s actually already garnered some praise for his communication on defense through camp thus far, and 35% or better from 3, especially from a big man, doesn’t hurt either.

He may also end up just being the 11th man, which is pretty great depth heading into next season.

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Old 09-27-2017, 08:43 AM   #41
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https://hoopshabit.com/2017/09/26/ut...eason-preview/

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Ricky Rubio, Dante Exum and Raul Neto are more than capable of filling the point guard minutes. Exum, in particular, is an intriguing piece this year with a spike in development and production in many people’s predictions.

How can anyone say that Exum is capable? He's never done anything!

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With the defensive ability already present, a small improvement offensively is all that is keeping Gobert from receiving league-wide recognition. He’s yet to reach star status

no just all-NBA

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Dante Exum averaged 6.2 points per game last season but don’t be surprised if that number enters double-digits now that he’s a full year removed from his ACL injury.

I'd be shocked! Rubio has never averaged that and he at least has some game

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this team is still made up of quality players. Players that, if healthy, will easily dispose of the bottom-tier teams, regularly beat the mid-tier teams, and compete with the elite teams of the Western Conference.

Not seeing it. They might dominate the worst teams and compete with others but wins will be hard to come by. Could be over for them by Decembet

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Dante Exum is ready to be a reliable contributor

because of summer league?

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The Western Conference is a battle ground. If any team shows a momentary weakness, those around them will be ready to pounce.

that's the biggest problem

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A fall to as far as 10th in the West isn’t out of the question if the Jazz can’t keep a consistent starting lineup.

10th will be a good season

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Dante Exum is a chance at having his name mentioned in the Sixth Man of the Year and Most Improved Player categories.



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Donovan Mitchell has on this season. Averaging 10 points per game isn’t out of the question for a professional scorer like Mitchell, but he will have to earn the minutes first. Rodney Hood and Alec Burks’ returns to health stand in his way but if either lapse, Burks in particular, the minutes are there for Mitchell to pounce.

to me Exum is the guy who's minutes he's likely to take

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They will finish in the vicinity of a 45-37 record, which will have them jumping between sixth and seventh in the West.

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Old 09-27-2017, 04:22 PM   #42
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Donovan Mitchell spoke to media after practice and had a lot to say about his first official practice as a Jazzman.

My first impression is how easy it is to root for our promising new rookie. His personality shines every time he speaks to the media. My favorite thing he shared was how the Jazz focused on “fast-paced basketball.” Seeing more buckets in transition this season would be a welcome sight.

probably their only hope but Rubio sucks in transition

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I’m still blown away Vegas dropped the jazz so low this season. We only lost one player that barely squeeked into allstar from a reserve call up. Hayward wasnt a superstar or even a returning allstar. He was versatile and above average at multiple things.

Is that all that lost? Maybe you missed the playoffs?
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Old 09-27-2017, 08:09 PM   #43
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http://www.sltrib.com/sports/jazz/2017/09/27/utah-jazz/

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Deron Williams was highly touted, but spent his rookie season playing behind veteran point guard Keith McLeod.

And Palacio! Jerry.

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Dante Exum was the fifth pick of the 2014 draft. He ended up a starter in the second half of the season, but that was out of necessity because Quin Snyder lost trust in Trey Burke.

Out of necessity because they didn't have an NBA pg until they finally brought Neto over

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But almost all within the organization are expecting to make the postseason again, or at least contend for a playff spot. And Mitchell is expected to play a role in that.

I'm ok with him starting the year in the G-league

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Mitchell enters training camp as a backup shooting guard.

He shouldn't. He needs to earn it

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He has a two-way ability, even as a rookie, that the Jazz are going to need.

We'll see. If he can't hit open shots he'll have a tough time like much of the team

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Mitchell is also going to have to make up for some physical shortcomings. His frame is small for a shooting guard. At 6-foot-3, he’ll guard people three and four inches taller on many nights. There is precedent for success in that realm. Detroit Pistons shooting guard Avery Bradley is 6-foot-2 and one of the best perimeter defenders in the league. Mitchell has a lot of Bradley’s defensive attributes — long arms, quick and strong hands, great anticipation.

His height is pretty meaningless with his length and size
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Old 09-27-2017, 08:21 PM   #44
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Old 09-28-2017, 05:08 PM   #45
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https://www.ksl.com/?sid=45963357&ni...ing-on-offense

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"I've known Thabo since I got in this league, and I know he's an all-around player who can play on both ends of the floor," Jerebko said. "In two weeks, he's shown a lot of offensive skills, and he's made a lot of shots. He's worked on his game this summer, you can tell."

If he's making shots at the rate he did during his peak in Oklahoma City, it would lift the Jazz in a really significant way. In the 2012-13 season, he shot 41.9 percent on 3.2 3-point shots per game. To give you some context, that's nearly identical to Joe Johnson's 3-point rate and accuracy last season.

5 years ago. Don't count on it!

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Remember last year, when the biggest surprise of training camp was coming in to find out that Alec Burks and Derrick Favors weren't especially close to being healthy?

Don't remember hearing that about Favors. He looked improved in the first pre-season game and was never the same after

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We don't want to wear (assistant coach) Igor Kokoskov out."



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But a healthy roster at this point in the season is already a step forward compared to 2016-17.

2 days and 3 practices!

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Jerebko's going to be playing essentially all of his minutes on the Jazz in a stretch four role, someone Snyder can put on the floor who can shoot without losing a lot of size.

I imagine the 5 as well

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He'll have to fight for those stretch four minutes with Joe Johnson. "Joe, in a pinch, can guard the three, though I think we'd like to keep him more at the four," Snyder said when asked about the 36-year-old veteran.

After what we saw last year it would be stupid to have him at the 3 unless the match-up really calls for it

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Jerebko is kind of a hybrid option at the power forward spot: he's not as good of a shooter and scorer as Johnson, but a better screener and rebounder. Of course, if screening and rebounding is most important, Derrick Favors is the best option.

but he'll have to play the 5 when Rudy's pot at least with Joe. Jonas might be the 5 and Favors the 4 I guess but I would assume the other way around
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