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Old 09-27-2017, 10:07 AM   #16
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College basketball is a vastly inferior shitty product to the NBA. No ****s were given.

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In 2014, the NCAA men's tournament brought in $1.13 billion in advertising revenue for broadcast partners CBS and Turner Sports, according to Kantar Media. That's a March Madness record and a big part of the reason those broadcasters paid $10 billion for the rights to broadcast the tournament through 2024, which is a huge haul even compared to the $28 million that Fox, CBS and NBC paid to air NFL games, the playoffs and rotating Super Bowls through 2022.

The NCAA's ad haul was still shy of the $1.23 billion that the 2014 NFL playoffs and Super Bowl, but that hasn't always been the case. For the entire 2013 NCAA Men's Basketball Tournament, CBS and Turner generated little more than $1.12 billion in ad revenue from NCAA sponsors like General Motors, AT&T, Coca-Cola, Capital One, Nissan and Lowe's. That $1.12 billion total is more than the $1.1 billion spent on the NFL playoffs and Super Bowl combined in 2013 and absolutely dwarfs the National Basketball Association playoffs and finals ($904 million) and Major League Baseball Playoffs and World Series ($592 million) that same year.

Odd that the advertises would pay far more to broadcast the tournament then, say, the NBA playoffs and finals.
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Old 09-27-2017, 10:28 AM   #17
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Neither was I.

I can point to a dozen basketball recruits that higher end schools suddenly stopped recruiting. Its no secret when it happens, but its always been a secret why it happens, until now.

I absolutely do not think THIS sort of thing is happening at UK or Duke. They simply do not need to pay players, or recruit players who are wanting to be paid. They just don't. Think about it... this Bowen kid took 100k, and now he's ineligible to play college basketball, which may cost him millions down the road. Not every kid is that dumb.

I have no doubt that high profile athletes at UK and Duke probably get a lot of perks, but cash isn't one of them. UK had to self-report after students got free sandwiches at a local Lexington restaurant. The microscope of the NCAA has been on them ever since Cal began coaching there, and not once had the NCAA ever even hinted at the idea that Cal has done something illegal. He simply doesn't need to.

But at schools like Texas? Okie State? Miss St.? Auburn? USC, UCLA? Hell, even Zona hasn't really been all that relevant over the past 10 years.

Like I said, I think there are certain kids who have their hands out, and I believe every coach knows who those kids are.

What I am really interested to see, is how deep this practice goes into the AAU circuit. The shoe companies sponsor dozens of AAU teams all over the country. I know this just doesn't start once they become eligible for college.

LOL ur the most stupid guy on here like u will defend UK before ur own mum. So according to u all these schools are doing it except for UK and DUKE who have so much integrity . A classy and blue blood UNC got caught faking classes and diplomas and shit but u think paying players is out of question?
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Old 09-27-2017, 10:35 AM   #18
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Look at duke, after years of longterm goals and recruiting players that fit in a mold with the goal to grow and spend 4 years at school are now chasing every one and done. what changed? ALso andrew wiggins went to kansas (an addidas school) when they weren't on his list for most of his senior year. FSU( his parents alma mater) and kentucky were all in for him and then boom last minute he goes to kansas.

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Old 09-27-2017, 10:36 AM   #19
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LOL ur the most stupid guy on here like u will defend UK before ur own mum. So according to u all these schools are doing it except for UK and DUKE who have so much integrity . A classy and blue blood UNC got caught faking classes and diplomas and shit but u think paying players is out of question?

I never said that, but you can make up shit if you it makes you feel better.

And yes, UNC did not pay players money, they created fake classes, which is why I said:

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I have no doubt that high profile athletes at UK and Duke probably get a lot of perks, but cash isn't one of them.

Reading comprehension, bruh.
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Old 09-27-2017, 10:38 AM   #20
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Louisville's Rick Pitino tells staff he expects to lose his job

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Louisville head basketball coach Rick Pitino has told members of his coaching staff that he expects to lose his job over allegations the Cardinals basketball program is involved in a federal investigation into fraud and corruption in college basketball recruiting.

A source told ESPN's Michael Eaves that Pitino "knows it's coming" after a staff meeting of the basketball coaches Wednesday morning in Louisville.

On Tuesday, federal prosecutors in New York announced charges of fraud and corruption against 10 people involved in college basketball, including four assistant coaches -- Auburn's Chuck Person, Oklahoma State's Lamont Evans, Arizona's Emanuel "Book" Richardson and USC's Tony Bland.

The FBI probe focused on coaches being paid tens of thousands of dollars to steer NBA-bound players toward sports agents, financial advisers and apparel companies.

Federal criminal complaints accuse at least one coach at a "public research university located in Kentucky" -- identified as Louisville -- of taking part in a scheme to funnel about $100,000 from Adidas to an All-American high school player whom the Cardinals were recruiting.
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Old 09-27-2017, 10:49 AM   #21
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I never said that, but you can make up shit if you it makes you feel better.

And yes, UNC did not pay players money, they created fake classes, which is why I said:



Reading comprehension, bruh.

No U said they don't need to pay players..... so what is the motivation to go there? why would top players go to ucla,louisville or arizona for 100k or in michael porter jr's case go to missouri cuz his dad got offered a job but would go to Uk duke and Unc for free? im no talking about the 75 ranked player, im talking about the future loto picks , they don't need school or a good record or tournament play (see ben simons) to get drafted. guys like bledsoe definetly benefited from the exposur he got at UK but thejohn walls AD KAT ect didnt need them as much as they needed them. so why all the top prospect go to the same schools in environement they are not familiar with? chiraq kids going to lexington
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Old 09-27-2017, 11:00 AM   #22
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No U said they don't need to pay players..... so what is the motivation to go there? why would top players go to ucla,louisville or arizona for 100k or in michael porter jr's case go to missouri cuz his dad got offered a job but would go to Uk duke and Unc for free? im no talking about the 75 ranked player, im talking about the future loto picks , they don't need school or a good record or tournament play (see ben simons) to get drafted. guys like bledsoe definetly benefited from the exposur he got at UK but thejohn walls AD KAT ect didnt need them as much as they needed them. so why all the top prospect go to the same schools in environement they are not familiar with? chiraq kids going to lexington

Because they get free exposure, free goodies, they build their own brands (Look at Wall, Davis, Cousins, Towns). What's Ben Simmons' brand looking like these days? What brand, right? Exactly.

They do need the school. And honestly, the competition that 2012 team faced in practice every day was better than most opponents they played on the road. That helps them get better. The coaches help them refine their craft. How many college programs run NBA style offenses? I can count them on one hand.

There's a reason spread QBs in college aren't drafted as highly as QBs who take snaps from under center. Because the NFL takes snaps under center.

Add to the fact that they can compete for a national title, they get to play against top level competition day in and day out, and probably get their ***** sucked like 15 times a day...

There's a lot of reasons to attend UK. Its a prestige thing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZu610nSdYE

Here's John Wall breaking down in tears during his UK HOF acceptance speech. UK alumni come back every year and play a game for the fans. Cousins, Davis, Bledsoe, Booker. They all come back. Cousins had a full court basketball court installed in his backyard with the UK logo on it. Not the Kings logo, or the Pelicans logo. The Kentucky logo.

Tell me again how UK is just 'some school'.

More people attend UKs first practice then attend ANY NBA games. Its a sellout. People are lined up right now for tickets to be available on Friday. Its much, much more then just 'a team', like you see in the NBA.

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Old 09-27-2017, 11:02 AM   #23
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Odd that the advertises would pay far more to broadcast the tournament then, say, the NBA playoffs and finals.

Because NCAA is more popular? Doesn't mean it's not an inferior product... because it is.

There are too many D1 starters to count that have no shot in the NBA... because it's an inferior product... you know what... just stfu.
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Old 09-27-2017, 11:04 AM   #24
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Because NCAA is more popular? Doesn't mean it's not an inferior product... because it is.

There are too many D1 starters to count that have no shot in the NBA... because it's an inferior product... you know what... just stfu.

Apparently, you are in the minority in your thinking.

Unless people just love watching an inferior product.
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Old 09-27-2017, 11:07 AM   #25
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The NCAA has yet to hand down a final verdict in the UNC case and everyone here in Tarheel land is fearing the death penalty. I don't feel so bad now that it looks like a lot of other programs will be going down too.


Watch Coach K get off scott free, the little rat faced weasel.
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Old 09-27-2017, 11:08 AM   #26
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Apparently, you are in the minority in your thinking.

Unless people just love watching an inferior product.

People love watching that inferior product because it's closer to their heart when they're able to root for the school they went to or wanted to go to...

It's even more tribal than rooting for an NBA team because most NCAA fans have direct ties to the teams they root for... it's a low IQ tribal reason to root for a team... they aren't rooting for the players because the rosters change as much or more than NBA teams... they are rooting for the schools... their schools...

It's not about basketball or the quality of play... it's about tribalism... plain and simple.

Those guys suck ass at basketball compared to NBA players thus it's an inferior product and if you don't agree you should probably start contemplating your lack of self awareness.
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Old 09-27-2017, 11:09 AM   #27
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The NCAA has yet to hand down a final verdict in the UNC case and everyone here in Tarheel land is fearing the death penalty. I don't feel so bad now that it looks like a lot of other programs will be going down too.


Watch Coach K get off scott free, the little rat faced weasel.

They'll never get charged with anything...

Even though its as clear as day all of their basketball players didn't really get degrees. Its weird how the NCAA is so selective.
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Old 09-27-2017, 11:11 AM   #28
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People love watching that inferior product because it's closer to their heart when they're able to root for the school they went to or wanted to go to...

It's even more tribal than rooting for an NBA team because most NCAA fans have direct ties to the teams they root for... it's a low IQ tribal reason to root for a team... they aren't rooting for the players because the rosters change as much or more than NBA teams... they are rooting for the schools... their schools...

Those guys suck ass at basketball compared to NBA players thus it's an inferior product and if you don't agree you should probably start contemplating your lack of self awareness.

No, you're right, college players are not as good as NBA players. Don't disagree with that at all.

But to call it an inferior product? When most of the NBA fans dont even watch games between Dec 31 and the playoffs? Yeah, we'll agree to disagree.

Nobody gives a shit about NBA games in Feb and March. The players don't even care. You want to talk about an inferior product but pretend like anybody cares about games 40-70 in the NBA? Come on, meow. *thumbs up*
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No, you're right, college players are not as good as NBA players. Don't disagree with that at all.

But to call it an inferior product? When most of the NBA fans dont even watch games between Dec 31 and the playoffs? Yeah, we'll agree to disagree.

Nobody gives a shit about NBA games in Feb and March. The players don't even care. You want to talk about an inferior product but pretend like anybody cares about games 40-70 in the NBA? Come on, meow. *thumbs up*

Yes because popularity automatically indicates quality...

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