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Old 10-05-2017, 08:25 AM   #751
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Again... two distinct pools of blood (one dry, one congealed) under his head.

This guy shot himself as police were closing in, yet they didn't breach his hotel room until 65 minutes after the shooting began, which was 55 minutes after the shooting stopped.

I'm telling you all... there's more to the story.
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Old 10-05-2017, 08:26 AM   #752
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Oh, I agree with you 100%.

But the fact remains, even if you are crazy (which you would be to have to carry something like this out), there's always something that makes you decided to do something like this.

He purchased three dozen rifles over the past year. Obviously, he knew this was coming for a long, long time. Crazy? Sure, but there's a motivation behind the decision to do THIS and not, say, become a serial killer or shoot up an old folks home.

If for example those ISIS dudes didnt have that "reason" of theirs.... they would kill even more people..... are you kidding me? No God, no consequences..... woooohoooooo...........
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Old 10-05-2017, 09:28 AM   #753
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Old 10-05-2017, 09:48 AM   #754
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Reason? Why should there ever be a reason for when something like this (terrorism, criminals, evilness etc) happens? Oh you guys.... ever heard about crazy? What, you cant be crazy anymore???

You think any criminal, terrorist, isis, cartel, kkk, whatever would be some perfectly sane benovelent dude just chillin in the burbs if they didnt have their.... "reason"?

No my friend, they are crazy, its as simple as that... whatever the "reason" is it takes a special kindof screw LOOSE in the head to take somebodies life, better yet some innocent peoples lives... better yet to Paddocks type of magnitude...

Most of them give some kind of reason (ideology, politics etc.).... but the fact of the matter is they are CRAZY.........

You can be very smart, intelligent and be CRAZY, for good or for bad, it doesnt matter... it just takes to have a screw that is just a tiny bit loose in the most dangerous part of the brain for that to be somewhat loose, which is the part of the brain that says "sanity, compassion, charity, humanity, affection etc".....

I know grown-up children have this incessant need to pathologise everything they lack the insight or imagination to understand, but there's almost always a reason for these sorts of things, even with the genuine crazies who think voices told them to do it (a small proportion of people); the biggest killers in history have not been "crazy" but methodical, calculating, driven. Stop trying to make the world simpler to understand by simply categorising everything you don't want to exist and can't imagine yourself doing as "muh crazy"

This attack was not the work of a "crazy" person but someone who picked a deliberate target, planned extensively, and knew very well what he was doing (accepting the official narrative).

Are the neocons "crazy" too? Well they organise very well (cynically, with calculation to capture and control mechanisms of power for their own ends) and the bloodshed they have caused for their ideals makes this guy's tally look miniscule.
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Old 10-05-2017, 09:54 AM   #755
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I know grown-up children have this incessant need to pathologise everything they lack the insight or imagination to understand, but there's almost always a reason for these sorts of things, even with the genuine crazies who think voices told them to do it (a small proportion of people); the biggest killers in history have not been "crazy" but methodical, calculating, driven. Stop trying to make the world simpler to understand by simply categorising everything you don't want to exist and can't imagine yourself doing as "muh crazy"

This attack was not the work of a "crazy" person but someone who picked a deliberate target, planned extensively, and knew very well what he was doing (accepting the official narrative).

Are the neocons "crazy" too? Well they organise very well (cynically, with calculation to capture and control mechanisms of power for their own ends) and the bloodshed they have caused for their ideals makes this guy's tally look miniscule.

He may have scouted out another concert a few days before. He knew what he was doing.
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Old 10-05-2017, 10:26 AM   #756
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Dresta iirc you were ranting about SSRI meds playing into mass shootings before. When others were pointing to gun control, you were pointing at antidepressants.

This guy was on SSRIs


Psychotic humans or sociopathic humans are fully capable of 'planning' something. All mass shootings are 'planned' for the most part. That doesn't make the planner 'sane'.
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Old 10-05-2017, 10:30 AM   #757
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And again....

Thoughts on the two distinct puddles of blood?

That one, I just keep coming back to.
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Old 10-05-2017, 10:34 AM   #758
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Also...I was trying to do super vague math on how big the metal detector industry could get. Unless every grocery store and restaurant in the country gets decked out it's not adding up for me really.

Let's say decking out a casino with metal detectors is $50k average (high estimate imo). Then it would take 20 casinos just to reach $1m. It just doesn't seem like that could be some goliath cash cow to me really. If the goal is to go beyond casinos and just have every business period decked out with metal detectors then okay...that would be huge money. But for that to happen I think they are going to need more than just this shooting. These things are common enough now to where they fade from public consciousness pretty quickly.
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Old 10-05-2017, 10:37 AM   #759
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And again....

Thoughts on the two distinct puddles of blood?

That one, I just keep coming back to.
The pic was taken hours after his death. First puddle dried...fresh blood oozed out after that on top of it

What scenario are you thinking up? Someone tried to stage his body, fcked it up and tried again without cleaning up the first mess?

To me, it shouldn't be some picture perfect scene with a perfect dead body in one perfect puddle. It was a chaotic event.
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Old 10-05-2017, 10:41 AM   #760
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Also...I was trying to do super vague math on how big the metal detector industry could get. Unless every grocery store and restaurant in the country gets decked out it's not adding up for me really.

Let's say decking out a casino with metal detectors is $50k average (high estimate imo). Then it would take 20 casinos just to reach $1m. It just doesn't seem like that could be some goliath cash cow to me really. If the goal is to go beyond casinos and just have every business period decked out with metal detectors then okay...that would be huge money. But for that to happen I think they are going to need more than just this shooting. These things are common enough now to where they fade from public consciousness pretty quickly.

How many entrances and exits does a Casino have? I know walking into the Casino in Cincinnati, they have 6-8 doors just at the front entrance. Now, maybe they don't put them on the doors, but instead put them inside. Now you've got a mass of people on a Saturday night waiting to walk through a metal detector, or two.

Each machine can cost anywhere between 5k - 12k a piece. You think every casino in Vegas is only going to buy 10 for the entire building?

There are over 5 million hotels in the US. Assume every hotel is going to need 3-4.

5,000,000 x 30,000 (3 or 4 detectors) = ONE HUNDRED AND FIFTY BILLION.

Add in 98,000 public schools, 1,400 colleges (who are going to need dozens for every entrance to all of the buildings on campus), 620,000 restaurants...

It adds up quick.
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Old 10-05-2017, 10:42 AM   #761
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The pic was taken hours after his death. First puddle dried...fresh blood oozed out after that on top of it

What scenario are you thinking up? Someone tried to stage his body, fcked it up and tried again without cleaning up the first mess?

To me, it shouldn't be some picture perfect scene with a perfect dead body in one perfect puddle. It was a chaotic event.

It was one dried puddle, and one congealed puddle.

Science says that that is impossible.
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Old 10-05-2017, 10:42 AM   #762
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Just thinking that if he had been successful in penetrating his original target of the fuel tankers, that there'd be a huge crater in the middle of the Las Vegas strip right now.

Why are there two giant containers of JET FUEL so close to the public? Anyone? Jet fuel is far more lethal and destructive than regular fuel.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kUPIDVMl8XM
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Old 10-05-2017, 10:46 AM   #763
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How many entrances and exits does a Casino have? I know walking into the Casino in Cincinnati, they have 6-8 doors just at the front entrance. Now, maybe they don't put them on the doors, but instead put them inside. Now you've got a mass of people on a Saturday night waiting to walk through a metal detector, or two.

Each machine can cost anywhere between 5k - 12k a piece. You think every casino in Vegas is only going to buy 10 for the entire building?

There are over 5 million hotels in the US. Assume every hotel is going to need 3-4.

5,000,000 x 30,000 (3 or 4 detectors) = ONE HUNDRED AND FIFTY BILLION.

Okay if every hotel period has them, it adds up. Just Vegas casinos? Not sure.

Also...people have metal in their luggage. It's hard to picture how that would work out.

Also also...is it even illegal to have a gun in a hotel room? How could they forbid that?
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Old 10-05-2017, 10:47 AM   #764
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Why are there two giant containers of JET FUEL so close to the public? Anyone? Jet fuel is far more lethal and destructive than regular fuel.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kUPIDVMl8XM

There's an airport right next to the place.
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Old 10-05-2017, 10:49 AM   #765
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It was one dried puddle, and one congealed puddle.

Science says that that is impossible.
It's clearly not impossible

Even if everything was staged...that's what happened
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