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Old 10-02-2017, 07:53 PM   #16
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Default Re: More difficult to do: three-peating or making the finals 10 straight?

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In a vacuum, making the finals ten-consecutive years is more impressive on-paper.

Three-peat dynasties usually entail getting over a greater hump in the end with the finals opponent—they're usually the most daunting opponent; and even if they aren't, the team assuredly already broke a sweat against a gauntlet of veritable title-contenders before then—but the much more arduous marathon is making the finals ten-consecutive years. It entails winning at least 30 playoffs series within those 10 years, and even more uphill to accomplishing it is talent retention; a multitude of changes can happen to disform that dynastic roster; your talent can corrode with age, there can be coaching changeovers, essential players may defect away in free agency, championship-reigning teams may not be hungry enough to return to the finals in the afterglow of their championship, and so on and so forth.

You may need to overcome loftier hurdles to three-peat in the end, but you're at least bound to be retentive of that championship-contention team for those years; it's much more implausible for a decade-long finals streak, on the other hand. The Warriors may as well three-peat before our own eyes by 2019, and there were multiple narrowly squandered three-peats in recent years—Warriors and Lakers where 2016 and 2008 were narrowly the weak links, for example—but what player, let alone team, has been even close to a decade-long finals hegemony? The 1980s Lakers were the closest, and it took a western conference almost as historically vapid as this decade's eastern conference for them to do so.

All based on circumstance, like colluding with fellow superstars in your prime and then jumping ship to another team in the Least when your superstar teammates are declining. Then, it isn't nearly as impressive.
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Old 10-02-2017, 07:53 PM   #17
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Default Re: More difficult to do: three-peating or making the finals 10 straight?

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Celtics got to 10 straight finals from 1957 to 1966. Of course it doesn't hurt that they only lost one of them in 1958 and in that one Bill Russell was injured.

Plus, they availed greatly from the pre-expansionary era. They didn't have the same gauntlets of teams to beat as they would today, given that they played in the pre-expansionary era wherein they literally had no more than 1-2 teams to beat en route to the finals.
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Old 10-02-2017, 07:57 PM   #18
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Default Re: More difficult to do: three-peating or making the finals 10 straight?

10, weak conference or not, everyone gets upset at some point.
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Old 10-02-2017, 08:10 PM   #19
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Default Re: More difficult to do: three-peating or making the finals 10 straight?

The question is flawed due to the fact that no clarification is made as to how reaching those ten finals result in rings attained.

Cause the simple retort to these retards, as the question stands is: IF 3-peating was easier than reaching 10 straight, then why didn't "x" player achieved the 3-peat during that 10-straight run....it's "easier" to 3-peat after all.... and you have at least 3 tries within a 10 year run.

Obviously NOT.

Edit: Now the dumbwitt says...well if 3-peating is harder than reaching 10 straight, then why "x" player who 3-peated didn't reach 10 straight? The answer is obvious... 3-peats are draining on teams/superstars in the competitive era (post expansion) - that's why they're hard to achieve in the first place. On the other hand, a weak conference, drained of stars and quality teams can result in cakewalk trips to the finals for a super-stacked team with multiple stars, quality players -as long as that condition stays true for that 10 year period run.

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Old 10-02-2017, 08:23 PM   #20
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Default Re: More difficult to do: three-peating or making the finals 10 straight?

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Why not ? He'd be on a western team which means his teams would be way better too .. the only thing that would be different is he'd be undefeated in the finals 🤦*♂️

Why exactly would that happen? The fact is that Lebron plays on a West caliber team, in the East, which is why he keeps making the finals. Switching to the West wouldn't necessarily give Lebron a better team than the Heatles.

BTW, I don't hold Lebron's finals losses against him.

He has 3 championships and 3 FMVPS. Those are amazing stats and he is clearly a top 5 player of all time.
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Old 10-02-2017, 09:08 PM   #21
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Going to the finals 10 times straight only show you had great management and in all ways a perfect team to build with. Making it to the finals and winning three straight shows much more. It shows effort to win, determination and resilience
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Old 10-02-2017, 09:16 PM   #22
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Default Re: More difficult to do: three-peating or making the finals 10 straight?

I just can't say making the finals 10 straight times is more difficult. To me, something perceived as more "difficult", especially in sports, should also be considered more impressive.

Or..."prestigious"

Unless netting 10 straight finals appearances means you beat nothing but powerhouses along the way...that could also be seen as underachieving in the finals though.

Got to know the circumstances BUT generally speaking? 10 straight finals with ZERO titles is not more impressive than 3x chips.
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Old 10-02-2017, 09:24 PM   #23
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Default Re: More difficult to do: three-peating or making the finals 10 straight?

10 straight finals of course, its done less.

James might achieve this feat, 10 straight finals, winning 5 of them (2012, 2013, 2015, 2016, one of the next three)

Thats GOAT stuff. 2017 alone is
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Old 10-02-2017, 09:25 PM   #24
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Default Re: More difficult to do: three-peating or making the finals 10 straight?

Simple, how many players in NBA History 3 peated? How many players made 10 straight Finals (0)?






LeBron making 7 straight Finals is a key reason why he’s better than Jordan all time.
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Old 10-03-2017, 12:07 AM   #25
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Default Re: More difficult to do: three-peating or making the finals 10 straight?

10 straight as the best man on the team beats a 3-peat in my eyes.
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Old 10-03-2017, 12:53 AM   #26
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Default Re: More difficult to do: three-peating or making the finals 10 straight?

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Switching to the West wouldn't necessarily give Lebron a better team than the Heatles.

if instead of joining Miami, he went West and joined either of Spurs, Clips, or GSW - his finals record would be even better.

you argue that the east teams are weak and that west teams are better. but then say if Lebron goes to a west team (which is better, you say), that west team would not be better than his east team?
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Old 10-03-2017, 01:30 AM   #27
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Default Re: More difficult to do: three-peating or making the finals 10 straight?

10 straight finals appearances

Only if done in the Western Conference though
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Old 10-03-2017, 01:52 AM   #28
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Default Re: More difficult to do: three-peating or making the finals 10 straight?

Not winning 3 in a row after making 10 consecutive finals is harder.
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Old 10-03-2017, 02:02 AM   #29
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Default Re: More difficult to do: three-peating or making the finals 10 straight?

Not just 10 consecutive finals

- multiple coaches

- multiple teams

- hundreds of different teammates

- olympic gold medals inbetween


330 of last season 485 active players were drafted since LeBron last missed the NBA Finals in 2009-10.

68% of the NBA do not know what it's like to play without James in the Finals

So got damn Fckn GOAT
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Old 10-03-2017, 09:41 AM   #30
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All things equal, there’s a huge difference between winning 4 vs 3 playoff series. People do realize that right? Especially when naturally that 4th series win is against one of the best teams in the league.
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