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Old 10-04-2017, 04:52 PM   #61
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Rudy Gay

Basically players with low TS and bad D
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Old 10-04-2017, 04:57 PM   #62
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I watched every game that series in 2014. Joe Johnson was just on fire and it was mostly t-ross that got smoked if I remember correctly. I don't think we had a single good perimeter defender that season which hasn't been the case the seasons since.

no it wasnt derozan is undersized he cant defend s*it, and he cant score s*it than refs not here, every freaking playoffs. And last year plf against bucks they was going on derozan every time too expode his trash defence
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Old 10-04-2017, 05:58 PM   #63
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LeBron did it in an era with more restrictions on defense
Really? Because Brick shot ~40% from '08-'10 in the 3 Finals.
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Old 10-04-2017, 06:08 PM   #64
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no it wasnt derozan is undersized he cant defend s*it, and he cant score s*it than refs not here, every freaking playoffs. And last year plf against bucks they was going on derozan every time too expode his trash defence
You're retarded. Plain and simple. We would've gotten raped without demar against the bucks. Giannis shit on our whole team and that made it easier for guys like middleton and brogdon who also played well.
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Old 10-04-2017, 06:16 PM   #65
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I would say Allen Houston too. He went to the finals but was the least impactful player. Latrell's points made more of a difference and he played D. Houston would only grab like 2 rebounds and ast a game and was a turnstyle. Everyone remembers the game winner against Miami but dude was also one of the worst 4th quarter players for half a decade.
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Old 10-04-2017, 06:17 PM   #66
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You're retarded. Plain and simple. We would've gotten raped without demar against the bucks. Giannis shit on our whole team and that made it easier for guys like middleton and brogdon who also played well.

ok lets wait for this year plf its gonna be 5 straight years than ur trash will be exposed. and gtfo of my head
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Old 10-04-2017, 06:52 PM   #67
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Don't know why you're all randomly talking when you can go to stats.

Here's the list of players who've put up 20 PPG while managing to post fewer than 2 winshares having played at least 60 games. In other words, 20 PPG and no ****ing impact on their team's success at all. Sorted by season.

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Old 10-04-2017, 07:18 PM   #68
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Of course, it is possible to have a negative amount of winshares, meaning that you didn't just contribute **** all, you actually negatively impacted the game in all your time on the floor.

No one did that while putting up 20PPG, but two people did it while putting up 17PPG.



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Old 10-04-2017, 09:40 PM   #69
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Andrea Bargnani

Corey Maggette

Monta Ellis

Glenn Robinson

Ricky Davis - that one year where he threw the ball at the wrong hoop for a rebound

Rudy Gay

Shareef Abdur-Rahim


Going further back:

Kiki Vandeweghe

Reggie Theus

World B. Free

Tony Campbell - had two back-to-back 20ppg seasons for expansion Timberwolves
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Old 10-04-2017, 10:18 PM   #70
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Michael Redd
Uhhh....no.

That guy was a nuclear bomb of a scorer who single-handedly won them games with the team assembled around him being the likes of...who? Andrew Bogut...and then? Charlie Bell?
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Old 10-04-2017, 10:31 PM   #71
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The problem isn't just offense. He's also an awful defender. Like you can get away with awful defense if you're A) an amazing scorer with 3PT spacing and can translate that to the playoffs like Kyrie, or B) a high level playmaker like Harden/Russ/Nash. Derozan is neither of those things. He's definitely good offensively, but his lack of gravity/spacing as a pure midrange-in scorer and lack of high IQ playmaking limits his overall offense impact. And again his defense is awful. So all in all he has the appearance of a star but honestly may not contribute more to winning than great 3&D guys.

You're underselling DeMar's playmaking abilities, he's steadily improving as a playmaker with the ball since 2015. His lack of 3 point shooting hurts us big time at times, but he's generally a positive when he's on the court with his playmaking and scoring abilities.

3&D guys are getting overrated a little too much here. Replace DeMar with Crowder and our offensive becomes even worse than it is right now.
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Old 10-04-2017, 10:53 PM   #72
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Here is your answer: http://bkref.com/tiny/zd8LV

It is always a SG/SF with poor defense, inefficient scoring and poor play making.
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Old 10-05-2017, 04:44 AM   #73
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Kobe Bryant in 2015-2015
Monta Ellis in 2009-10
Devin Booker in 2016-17
Andrea Bargnani in 2010-11
Glenn Robinson in 2002-03
Ricky Davis in 2002-03

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Old 10-05-2017, 09:23 AM   #74
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Mike James
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Old 10-05-2017, 09:26 AM   #75
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Don't know why you're all randomly talking when you can go to stats.

Here's the list of players who've put up 20 PPG while managing to post fewer than 2 winshares having played at least 60 games. In other words, 20 PPG and no ****ing impact on their team's success at all. Sorted by season.


That Utah team had Griffith at 22 win ROY, and Dantly at 24 average 30.7. And they won 28 games.

But it looks like nobody else on the team even averaged 10 ppg.

Dantley's winshare was 13.6 btw.
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