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Old 10-06-2017, 08:43 PM   #31
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i agree and disagree. theres morons that believe in preparing to fight the government. but from a whole perspective, people must be able to arm themselves to actually have the tools to overturn the government if it becomes its own machine for its own intentions. Also, even with all military branches, not considering deflectors of the service who refuse to kill their own people, the people outnumber them severely, and its a war that the people of america would win easily. even with the advantage of the airforce dropping bombs, there is no way they are going to drop enough bombs one every home their is in america. its just a war the government doesnt want.


Which is exactly why I'm not concerned. You could never get enough of the American military to buy in to start sending waves of ground troops to wage war on the American citizens. All this "But what about 1889 in Burma...." shit means nothing to me. They can go on and be worried the rest of their lives while nothing happens.

The only way they could really wage war is with technology and against that our ground level guns don't matter.
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Old 10-06-2017, 08:44 PM   #32
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Yet we've been in Afghanistan and Iraq for years where they have 1980s ak47s and rpgs.

Vietnam for years.

The amount of arms in circulation in the US makes it difficult for the US government to "takeover" their own population.


No it doesn’t. The government would simply take control of the power and food supplies, which are both controlled by government regulated monopolies.

With Iraq/Afghan/Vietnam you’re talking about trying to occupy a foreign nation.
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Old 10-06-2017, 08:46 PM   #33
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If you look at actual modern civil wars like Syria and Libya what happened was plenty of government/military/establishment people defected and brought military weapons under rebel control.

In Syria the government was on the verge of defeat a couple of years ago, then the Iranians and Russians brought in their military advisors, foreign militias, and most importantly more air power and now the rebels are on the verge of defeat.

True the rebels have their own problems like infighting, inconsistent foreign support of their own etc. but just bringing in more professional military forces into the war completely turned the tide.

Those mofos also don't give a fck. They bomb everybody. They fight like you do in a real war and not by the rules the US is constrained by in its occupations.

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Old 10-06-2017, 10:13 PM   #34
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How many times are we gonna let stuff like this happen before we discuss changes and white on white crime in general?
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Old 10-06-2017, 10:27 PM   #35
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Being able to win a real military conflict is not the same as crushing all opposition on a small scale overnight. I could hold out in the woods or a cave like a ****ing terrorist but I can't beat America any more than they can. If you are arming yourself to fight the government....you're probably a moron. Even if you could hold off....the government....you lose on supplies alone.

ISIS has more guns and resources than most any group of freedom fighters ever will and they can't win either. In the end the government can turn you into dust. Victory isn't possible. It's just a matter of if they are going to be bloodthirsty enough to eliminate your entire county to get you.

The best chance ground level people have versus America is making it ugly and forcing them to either fully commit and destroy your society completely or just drop it because it isn't worth it. You don't get to defeat America. You could just make America wash its hands of you.

You sure as shit don't go down to the gun store and get anything you could use to protect yourself vs a government hell bent on you no longer existing.

it is not about winning or losing

it is about making it as difficult as possible for the opposition to win
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Old 10-06-2017, 10:42 PM   #36
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Again, see Afghanistan and Iraq. We've been there almost two decades and they don't have near the technology the US government has.


US military tip toed around civilian populations in Vietnam and the middle east....yea there were casualties, but they soke out the bad guys. Problem is its hard to seek out bad guys in dense jungles and mountains hidden amongst general population. What are a bunch of unorganized rednecks from flat plains in the midwest and south gonna do? Especially if citizens are being hunted and not some specific group hiding among citizens...
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I ain't the one whose banning him.

He just can't help himself, he loves spamming, and it isn't political either or else all of you righties would also be getting banned, but that isn't happening to y'all.

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Old 10-06-2017, 11:17 PM   #38
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you forgot the occupation of america from white europeans. indians didnt have guns to defend themselves and got pretty much exterminated.

well in the same breath if the white Europeans didnt have guns they wouldnt have slaughtered millions of indians and stole their land.
Yep. We took the Navajos guns, then wiped them out.
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Old 10-06-2017, 11:19 PM   #39
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Which is exactly why I'm not concerned. You could never get enough of the American military to buy in to start sending waves of ground troops to wage war on the American citizens. All this "But what about 1889 in Burma...." shit means nothing to me. They can go on and be worried the rest of their lives while nothing happens.

The only way they could really wage war is with technology and against that our ground level guns don't matter.
Deep state black ops bro. UN goons are who they'd use.



If shit ever really hits the fan and America's government collapses, watch out for black SWAT looking dudes in black SUVs who tell you they're part of the new government. These guys are highly trained ruthless motherfuckers. The 5 snipers Soros used to start the Ukrainian Spring were members of this deep state/UN army.
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Which is exactly why I'm not concerned. You could never get enough of the American military to buy in to start sending waves of ground troops to wage war on the American citizens. All this "But what about 1889 in Burma...." shit means nothing to me. They can go on and be worried the rest of their lives while nothing happens.

The only way they could really wage war is with technology and against that our ground level guns don't matter.

Use your brain. Think about this from a PR and media perspective. As soon as the American army starts firing on its own citizens, other nations looking to carve a piece of us will rush in to help the citizens against the "authoritarian regime."


China, Russia and UK would all move in at once to stop the civil war.


Also you say our guns can't do anything? Look at Afghanistan. Look at Vietnam. Guerilla tactics and knowing the lay of the land have proven powerful enough to defeat the all powerful US army twice. It will be bloody but there are enough militias and redneck survivalists out there that a civil war will last a long time. And you can guarantee nations like Russia will be arming the rebels just like we do to rebels in Syria.


Also, you have to expect that a majority of the US military will defect and side with the citizens if they were ever given orders to murder their own countrymen.

Would our right to bare arms matter if the army just started firing on us ruthlessly? No. But it is never going to come down to that.
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US military tip toed around civilian populations in Vietnam and the middle east....yea there were casualties, but they soke out the bad guys. Problem is its hard to seek out bad guys in dense jungles and mountains hidden amongst general population. What are a bunch of unorganized rednecks from flat plains in the midwest and south gonna do? Especially if citizens are being hunted and not some specific group hiding among citizens...
ARE YOU FUCKING SERIOUS BRO?

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The Phoenix Program (Vietnamese: Chiến dịch Phụng Hoŕng, a word related to fenghuang, the Chinese phoenix) was a program designed, coordinated, and executed by the United States Central Intelligence Agency (CIA), United States special operations forces, US Army intelligence collection units from MACV, special forces operatives from the Australian Army Training Team Vietnam (AATTV),[1] and the Republic of Vietnam's (South Vietnam) security apparatus during the Vietnam War.

The Program was designed to identify and "neutralize" (via infiltration, capture, counter-terrorism, interrogation, and assassination) the infrastructure of the National Liberation Front of South Vietnam (NLF or Viet Cong).[2][3][4][5] The CIA described it as "a set of programs that sought to attack and destroy the political infrastructure of the Viet Cong".[6] The major two components of the program were Provincial Reconnaissance Units (PRUs) and regional interrogation centers. PRUs would kill or capture suspected NLF members, as well as civilians who were thought to have information on NLF activities. Many of these people were then taken to interrogation centers where many were allegedly tortured in an attempt to gain intelligence on VC activities in the area.[7] The information extracted at the centers was then given to military commanders, who would use it to task the PRU with further capture and assassination missions.[7]

The program was in operation between 1965 and 1972, and similar efforts existed both before and after that period. By 1972, Phoenix operatives had neutralized 81,740 suspected NLF operatives, informants and supporters, of whom between 26,000 and 41,000 were killed.[8][9]
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Old 10-07-2017, 06:59 AM   #42
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The US military deciding is bad PR to turn your country into glass is not defeating it. You might as well say you won a fight versus someone not willing to use his fists.

Anyway The whole concept of everyone having to run to the gun safes and fend off the American government is absolute nonsense. Alarmist bullshit talked about by people more interested in their sides agenda than the worlds real problems much like the other side talking about global warming destroying the world.

There is no reason to take either side's extreme points seriously.
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Old 10-07-2017, 07:14 AM   #43
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Lets examine how it worked in the first world, in the past 20 years as opposed to this tyranny tripe.

Australia
South Africa
Japan
Taiwan

Roaring successes.

But please, continue on about Pol Pot, Hitler, Stalin, Amin, because the OCL isn't retarded enough.
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No one got exterminated in aus after gun control
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No one got exterminated in aus after gun control
Except that's not gun control. That's gun confiscation.
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