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Old 10-18-2017, 02:23 PM   #1
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Default 2017-2018 Utah Jazz season discussion... back to square one again

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Old 10-18-2017, 02:25 PM   #2
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http://www.sltrib.com/sports/jazz/20...-playoff-spot/

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And even though Portland hasn’t picked up new stars, Damian Lillard and C.J. McCollum haven’t gone anywhere.

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Old 10-18-2017, 02:32 PM   #3
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https://www.ksl.com/?sid=46182328&ni...rt-this-season

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Favors holds the key to the Jazz making the playoffs. If he can live up to his enormous talent and play at least 70 games, the Jazz could be the surprise team in the West.

They'e in trouble. He's a bad fit and won't even be playing down the stretch. He will be gone by the all-star game

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The same can be said of Rodney Hood. But until the shooting guard can find some consistency, he will be nothing more than a tease.

He was consistent last year until he got the flu. He's just not the go to guy they think he is. He's a 6th man and should be gone before the all-star break too if they really think he's getting the kind of money that's being talked about

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In Rubio, who spent his first six seasons with Minnesota, the Jazz have a pass-first point guard capable of getting his teammates good shots. But he’s an erratic shooter, reaching 40 percent only once in his career.

erratic is a nice way of putting it. I'd say shitty!

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If Rubio has a career year and Mitchell comes close to matching his summer production, the guess here is the Jazz exceed expectations with 46 wins and at least the No. 7 seed in the playoffs.

Rubio should be gone byt the all star break as well. The sooner they start building around Gobert and Mitchell the better.
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Old 10-18-2017, 02:46 PM   #4
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https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/j...ward-and-hill/

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The Jazz have never been worse than 15th at defense under Quin Snyder, and that won't change with the current roster.

What were they before Rudy emerged in early 2014 though? I'd guess near the worst in the league

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The Jazz are stocked with good defenders. Rubio is one of the best point guard defenders in the league, with length and quickness. Rodney Hood has strength. Joe Ingles practically has savviness pouring from his armpits. Joe Johnson knows every trick in the book and is tough as nails.

Hood and Johnson?

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That, honestly, will win them 30 games right off the bat, just by being an elite defensive team.

I see about 30 wins total on their schedule

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The Jazz need Hood to make the leap this season. Hood will have every opportunity to recapture the kind of explosive season he showed two years ago. Healthy and with a bigger role, Hood will be set up to succeed. He'll have a great passing point guard in Rubio to find him when he's open, and possessions to handle the ball in the pick and roll.

needs the ball in his hands. 6th man

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Mitchell was a steal for the Jazz when they traded up to get him last June. He's strong and capable as a scorer. The question will be if he gets minutes.

he better. 2nd best player on the team

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It took a stacked team to reach the 5th seed last year.

stacked? If they were stacked Hayward stays

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The Jazz just need to be the team that doesn't fall apart or suffer injuries (which has been a problem for them over the last few years). Let Denver and Portland crack under the pressure, win those division games, beat the teams they're better than (most of the East) and the organization has maintained stability they can work with.

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That has to be the goal.

The goal should be to start building around Rudy and Mitchell and see who fits around them and move the rest for whatever you can get
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Old 10-18-2017, 03:00 PM   #5
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https://hoopshabit.com/2017/09/29/ut...-year-chances/

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Ricky Rubio and Rodney Hood all but locked in as the starters in the backcourt, Mitchell is fighting for time with Dante Exum, Alec Burks, Raul Neto, Joe Ingles and to a lesser extent, Joe Johnson and Thabo Sefolosha.

Let's hope Hood is benched and Michell starts. He shouldn't be fighting anyone for time

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A great shooter when catching and shooting, pulling up or creating off the dribble,

a bit early to say he's a great shooter

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Coming off the bench to start the year, Mitchell’s numbers aren’t going to be there; he might not even see the court on opening night. Even if he does become the star many of us expect, Ben Simmons, Markelle Fultz and Lonzo Ball will be hogging the spotlight. Playing out of the high-profile markets of the Philadelphia 76ers and Los Angeles Lakers, that’s at least three players — all likely starters — that will finish ahead of Mitchell in the voting.

Fultz isn't starting. Simmons will win it I'd bet
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Old 10-18-2017, 03:11 PM   #6
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https://www.deseretnews.com/article/...Utah-Jazz.html

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The biggest splash of this offseason is Ricky Rubio

Mitchell

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He is the best passing point guard in the league and the best that the Jazz have had since John Stockton.

debatable. He hasn't averaged as many assists as Deron I don't believe

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Lindsey believes that Rubio can improve his shooting much like future Hall of Famer Jason Kidd did. “We think Ricky Rubio’s going to be a 2017 facsimile of Jason Kidd,” Lindsey said during a press conference.

Never a fan of Kidd. The big difference I see is that Kidd shot a lot. Rubio doesn't take many

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The Jazz signed three players in the span of a couple days, and it started with Thabo Sefolosha becoming a Jazzman. He is a 12-year pro and has played for the Bulls, Thunder and Hawks. The scouting report on him is that he is a three-and-D specialist,

without the 3!
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Old 10-18-2017, 03:23 PM   #7
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https://www.deseretnews.com/article/...day-night.html

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Will Rudy Gobert be even more dominating in the middle, both offensively and defensively after an all-star season last year?

He's better. His numbers might not be

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Can Rodney Hood become the Jazz's go-to guy now that Gordon Hayward has moved on?

no

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Will Ricky Rubio be the answer at point guard and be able to shoot above his 37 percent career average?

not the answer

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Can Joe Ingles live up to his 4-year, $52 million contract and top last year’s impressive numbers?

wouldn't expect much more him. His contract might be ok because it pays less every year

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How much of an impact will free agents Thabo Sefolosha, Ekpe Udoh and Jonas Jerebko be off the bench?

not much

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Will dynamic rookie guard Donovan Mitchell turn out to be the real deal?

yes

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Are Derrick Favors and Alec Burks really all the way back from injuries that slowed them the past two seasons?

Burks is

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How much will the absence of injured backup point guard Dante Exum hurt the Jazz?

hurts their depth since they cut Bolomboy instead of him. Makes their rotation better

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Does 37-year-old Joe Johnson have another good year left in the tank?

probably but it won't end with the Jazz

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Will the defensive-minded Jazz actually play more up-tempo as they’ve talked about all fall and shown in other preseason games?

I imagine. They'll pick their spots

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Jazz Mgmt blew it on Milsap, and it looks like they did it again with Bolomboy.

yep

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With the way the schedule starts, I could see the Jazz start 0 and 5. I don't think they will.

be an upset if they win one of those

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What I think happens. Ingles will take a small step back and not shoot quite as good as last season. Gobert doesn't have quite as good as a season either. He is the man and the pressure to come through will make it harder on him.

agreed but the reasons will be is because Ingles won't get open looks and Rudy won't get easy buckets because of their lack of shooting

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Hood, Favors and Burks will miss double digit games, they are just injury prone.

Hood and Favors are. Not convinced Burks is. The first injury he's had since college. The last one was bad luck and not a very smart play by Alec

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Joe Johnson's age starts catching up with him in the second half of the season,

be gone by the break

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The Jazz struggle scoring in the fourth quarter and lose a high number of close games.

probably
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Old 10-18-2017, 03:41 PM   #8
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https://thejnotes.com/2017/10/18/uta...mer-game-info/

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The questions facing the Jazz are as follows —

Can Rodney Hood be the go-to guy on the perimeter?
Will Joe Ingles flourish in an expanded role?
Is Donovan Mitchell as good as we think he is?
Can Favors and Alec Burks stay healthy?

And finally, will the Jazz be able to get buckets when it matters most?

no on Hood and Ingles. Yes on Mitchell. Burks will be healthy. Favors hopefully will be so they can trade him. Buckets will be hard to come by

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Projected Starting Lineups

Utah Jazz Position Denver Nuggets
Rudy Gobert C Nikola Jokic
Derrick Favors PF Paul Millsap
Joe Ingles SF Wilson Chandler
Rodney Hood SG Gary Harris
Ricky Rubio PG Emmanuel Mudiay

Mudiay starts over Murray?

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Raul Neto is also out after being a no-go through the back half of Jazz camp.

He's out?
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Old 10-18-2017, 03:49 PM   #9
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https://thejnotes.com/2017/10/18/101...ets-keys-game/

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if the Jazz can turn the game into a bit of a slog-fest by stalling Denver’s offense and throwing them out of their rhythm, they should put themselves in a great position to win the game.

Jokic and Millsap should do fine in the half court with shooters around them

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Yet with new additions such as Thabo Sefolosha, Ricky Rubio and Donovan Mitchell who excel at takeaways, Utah’s steals should go up dramatically as should their points off of turnovers as a result.

Favors gets steals too

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In other words, while capitalizing on turnovers was once a major weakness for both teams, the Jazz appear to be much-improved in that category whereas it’s not unlikely to presume that it will continue to be about the same for the Nuggets.

Millsap gets steals

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This is going to be a great early test for the Jazz and will be far from an easy victory. However, I believe Denver’s subpar defense, questionable backcourt and lackluster second unit

looks like their backcourt and bench might be better the the Jazz's

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If they’re able to do so, then there’s no reason why they shouldn’t be able to come out on top.

their offense is enough reason to think they will lose
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Old 10-18-2017, 03:51 PM   #10
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https://thejnotes.com/2017/10/17/uta...azers-edition/

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with a Jazz defense somehow improved from last season, I predict the Utah Jazz take this one 3-1.

the offense is much worse which will hurt the D too
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Old 10-18-2017, 04:02 PM   #11
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Donovan Mitchell will start by season’s end

I'm still holding out hope for tonight.

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Mitchell could add some lacking firepower in the starting unit. He will also get used to playing with the starters from an experience standpoint. The move would allow Joe Ingles to play a more natural and suitable role off the bench as well.”

– Hayden Van de Maat (@HaydenVandez06)

Hood needs to be benched not Ingles. Rubio needs to be traded and probably Hood too actually. Mitchell should start

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Rudy Gobert will average 18+ PPG

without shooters it will be tough

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Gobert becomes Jazz leading scorer

possible. Mitchell would be the best scenario though

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Alec Burks will lead the team in bench scoring and will be a top five 6th Man of the Year candidate

Might be tough to get 6th man with Johnson and Mitchell also on the same bench

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his injuries were usually caused by other players.

He got a really bad deal from Paul Pierce. Dangerous play from an over the hill Hall of Famer playing for the most Jazz hatingest squad last year.

Blame it on Pierce but it wasn't a smart play by Alec

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At one point, he looked like the Jazz’ future star, with Derrick Favors, Gordon Hayward and Enes Kanter rounding out the young core.

not sure he ever looked like a star

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Two Jazzmen get All-Star Nods

doubt they get one

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I would consider Rudy a lock to make this year’s squad

no locks from crappy teams

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I believe there are two likely candidates for this Jazz squad to step up and claim their spot among the league’s elite — Derrick Favors and Ricky Rubio.

you forgot Hood!

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I anticipate Rubio will not just replace George Hill’s production from last season, but I expect him to be the Jazz’s second-leading scorer

at least 6 guys will score more than him. Have you seen him shoot?

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Remember, many considered a healthy Hill an All-Star caliber talent.

because he was good!
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Old 10-19-2017, 10:46 AM   #12
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Udoh was a plus-minus genius in his last season in the NBA, with the Clippers, and he's only gotten better. At $3.3 million per year for the next two, he's a steal.

Doesn't make much sense to me to play 3 centers though. Once Favors is moved he'll make a lot more sense. He looked good with 4 plamakers around him and not another big. Still think Bolomboy should have ben in the mix before him though

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Snyder's favorite part of Burks' game was his defensive effort, which was solid. That's a big change from Burks as a young player, and while he still makes mistakes, they're fewer and further between.

"The adversity has tightened his game up a little bit. I thought he played good defense. I think he’s taken a lot of pride in how he’s defended, and I can’t emphasize that enough," Snyder said. "It’s important to him on the defensive end."

start him or Sefolosha. Hood needs to come off the bench until he is moved
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Old 10-19-2017, 10:53 AM   #13
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https://www.lockedonjazz.net/emptyin...ener-for-jazz/

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The question tonight was this: What happens when a great defensive team plays a great offensive team?

or maybe a bigger question a crappy offense against a crappy D

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The Jazz got great offensive balance tonight. Rudy Gobert led the Jazz with 18 points, Burks had 16, Favors had 14, Johnson had 13, Ingles had 11, Mitchell had 10, Rubio had 9 and Sefolosha had 7 points.

and no sign of the go to guy

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Rodney Hood was announced as a starter and was then unable to play due to gastric distress which forced rookie Donovan Mitchell into the starting lineup. Hood never got going and the Jazz were a -13 when he was on the floor. Hood went 2 of 4 from the field in 27 minutes.

same old Hood
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http://www.sltrib.com/sports/jazz/20...tart-for-jazz/

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there’s little doubt that he will play a large role this season after Dante Exum’s injury

Hard to imagine he wouldn't have anyway
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“The points may come from a lot of places every night,” Snyder said.

exactly. Hood's not a go to guy
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