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Old 12-20-2017, 07:11 PM   #16
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Letís hope so. Cant spend as much if we aint taxin as much.

If you live in NY, Cali, etc, write your reps and tell them to lower your state taxes. That way the deduction issue wont be so significant. Then use the money you generate from a strengthening economy to save for retirement.


Or cry bc the government isnt giving you lots of thingses for free.

Whatever you wanna do

Save what money? Looks like you have no idea how high premiums are along with medical bills and co-pay for most of America. Taxes are what help pay for exorbitant healthcare costs - slash taxes enough and change the system to how the Republicans want it, and pretty soon you pay out of pocket for everything while still continuing to pay premiums for insurance aka free money for insurance companies.
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Old 12-20-2017, 08:27 PM   #17
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Save what money? Looks like you have no idea how high premiums are along with medical bills and co-pay for most of America. Taxes are what help pay for exorbitant healthcare costs - slash taxes enough and change the system to how the Republicans want it, and pretty soon you pay out of pocket for everything while still continuing to pay premiums for insurance aka free money for insurance companies.



This says it all.

You dont even care WHY healthcare costs have ballooned so drastically.

You just wanna make someone who earns more money than YOU do pay for it. Doesnt matter what it costs or WHY. Make someone with higher income than you have pay for it.

How about we raise YOUR taxes to 70% to put every starving Ethiopian on a six-squares-per-day diet and cover his education expenses straight thru post-doc.

I’m asking you seriously, and please dont dodge it. Why wont you contribute the same proportion of YOUR income to help people far more impoverished, as you expect people richer than you to contribute to yours?
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Old 12-20-2017, 08:31 PM   #18
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Old 12-20-2017, 08:48 PM   #19
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The wealthy and upper middle income in high tax states like California and New York are fuming. You can now only deduct up to $10,000 total in state, local and property taxes. Shouldn’t affect non wealthy people in states like Texas and Florida at all unless they have a really, really expensive property. They brought down the mortgage deduction cap. So people with a house between $750k-1 million are a little pissed.


Actually this only applies to mortgage loans taken out after December 14 of this year. So people already paying mortgage on a home in that range will still be capped at 1M.

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Old 12-20-2017, 08:50 PM   #20
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This says it all.

You dont even care WHY healthcare costs have ballooned so drastically.

You just wanna make someone who earns more money than YOU do pay for it. Doesnt matter what it costs or WHY. Make someone with higher income than you have pay for it.

How about we raise YOUR taxes to 70% to put every starving Ethiopian on a six-squares-per-day diet and cover his education expenses straight thru post-doc.

I’m asking you seriously, and please dont dodge it. Why wont you contribute the same proportion of YOUR income to help people far more impoverished, as you expect people richer than you to contribute to yours?

You want a solution? Single-payer. Go read up on it.

Single-payer would lead to direct negotiation with healthcare companies to bring down the cost, elimination of the middleman of thousands of insurance companies, equalize costs for medicine/care across the board, and everyone contributes into it based on income. In the end, it would lead to savings and healthcare for everyone. Most, if not all, Republicans and some Democrats don't want that because insurance companies have paid them off.

That's an actual solution rather than the nonsense you spout. "Get rid of entitlements" and end there.
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Old 12-20-2017, 08:59 PM   #21
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You want a solution? Single-payer. Go read up on it.

Single-payer would lead to direct negotiation with healthcare companies to bring down the cost, elimination of the middleman of thousands of insurance companies, equalize costs for medicine/care across the board, and everyone contributes into it based on income. In the end, it would lead to savings and healthcare for everyone. Most, if not all, Republicans and some Democrats don't want that because insurance companies have paid them off.

That's an actual solution rather than the nonsense you spout. "Get rid of entitlements" and end there.


The dodge is real.


Why arent you providing for the care of Ethiopians based on your income relative to theirs?

Why do you choose not to do that?

Can you answer that question? If not, youre exposed as a selfish phony with a FAKE moral grandstand.
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Old 12-20-2017, 09:07 PM   #22
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The dodge is real.


Why arent you providing for the care of Ethiopians based on your income relative to theirs?

Why do you choose not to do that?

Can you answer that question? If not, youre exposed as a selfish phony with a FAKE moral grandstand.


Because Ethiopians arent Americans...?? What a dum dum question.
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Old 12-20-2017, 09:13 PM   #23
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Because Ethiopians arent Americans...?? What a dum dum question.


Oh, okay.

So America's benefits and provisions should only be provided for people who are legally American then?
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Old 12-20-2017, 09:14 PM   #24
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Also...one of type reasons democrats all voted against it, is it includes passage of eliminating the individual mandate in ACA and defunds some programs...blue states who already have superior coverage options and quality are already gearing to have state wide mandates that will guarantee lowest average ptemims possible. Massachusetts has already had it for over a decade and there ranked one of the best Healthcare states in the country and as are the states around it. Democrats had to vote against it on that alone. Ironically Red state markets are going to get crippled if they don't do something.
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Old 12-20-2017, 09:15 PM   #25
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Oh, okay.

So America's benefits and provisions should only be provided for people who are legally American then?

Uh...yes?? American government should be for the American people only and there are quotas for how many people can come in. Is that a shocking idea for you?
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Old 12-20-2017, 09:18 PM   #26
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Also...one of type reasons democrats all voted against it, is it includes passage of eliminating the individual mandate in ACA and defunds some programs...blue states who already have superior coverage options and quality are already gearing to have state wide mandates that will guarantee lowest average ptemims possible. Massachusetts has already had it for over a decade and there ranked one of the best Healthcare states in the country and as are the states around it. Democrats had to vote against it on that alone. Ironically Red state markets are going to get crippled if they don't do something.




The reason "Democrats" all voted against it was because they need to fool their base into believing they don't want their taxes cut and neither do their donors.

Do you remember when Obama quietly extended the Bush tax cuts midway through his first term? If you don't, it's because their wasn't a lot of hoopla form the media about it. You know, because he campaigned on how unfair those exact tax cuts were for Americans.

Your Democratic representatives are happy this went through, because they'll benefit without having to be accountable to their voters. But they AND THEIR DONORS count on Republicans being elected every other President or so, in order to get this stuff passed. Then when Dems are elected, they'll raise the taxes up so that it looks like they're doing something for their voters. Then they'll wait for Republicans to come in and repeal it.

Rinse and repeat.

You think these Dem politicians care about you

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Old 12-20-2017, 09:20 PM   #27
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Uh...yes?? American government should be for the American people only and there are quotas for how many people can come in. Is that a shocking idea for you?


Not at all, I'm glad you agree.

Did it trigger you when Trump spoke out about illegal immigrants coming here to take advantage of a system they aren't legally entitled to? Or did you think that was a perfectly legitimate point for a Presidential candidate to make?
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Old 12-20-2017, 10:25 PM   #28
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Save what money? Looks like you have no idea how high premiums are along with medical bills and co-pay for most of America. Taxes are what help pay for exorbitant healthcare costs - slash taxes enough and change the system to how the Republicans want it, and pretty soon you pay out of pocket for everything while still continuing to pay premiums for insurance aka free money for insurance companies.

Ah, sort of like the Cat plans that Barrycare forced people to sign up for or they would be fined.

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Because Ethiopians arent Americans...?? What a dum dum question.


Neither are illegals, but the Left thinks we owe them something
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Old 12-20-2017, 10:26 PM   #29
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Liberal contingent very quiet these past couple of days.


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Old 12-20-2017, 11:51 PM   #30
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Democrats tried to vote against me paying less taxes and they failed.

The tears taste delicious.
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