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Old 12-22-2017, 01:05 AM   #16
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Conclusion:

Today's player isn't as good at finishing contested shots at the rim, in the paint and mid-range shots because they attempt those shots far less often
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Old 12-22-2017, 01:11 AM   #17
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Conclusion:

Today's player isn't as good at finishing contested shots at the rim, in the paint and mid-range shots because they attempt those shots far less often
Asinine conclusion.


Players are taking smarter shots now.
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Old 12-22-2017, 01:22 AM   #18
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You and me both brother.

That Spurs win against the Heat might be the last true example of that beautiful form of basketball actually winning it all for the next little while. I'm a total purist at heat myself.
Seeing teams hoist 50+ 3's is not a super enchanting brand of ball to me

Seeing a big, dominate in the paint with an array of post moves is a thing of beauty to me. Even as recent as watching Rasheed eat up the younger players with his back towards them. It was poetic.

A fusion of kick in's and kick out's + ball movement.... Blissful

I hear you loud and clear man.

Spurs where a thing a of beuty to watch. The 86 Celtics where the same way: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3eIvCAsD6gY&t=548s

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Old 12-22-2017, 01:36 AM   #19
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Asinine conclusion.


Players are taking smarter shots now.
You just dont understand how the game has changed

When there's no spacing, you usually HAVE to take a contested shot.. In previous eras, the 3-point attempts and spacing wasnt there to get good looks everytime like today's game..

The need to make contested shots and score without spacing explains why players had more individually-unique styles back then, as each player developed their own way to convert contested shots - think of bird, gervin, kareem - nobody plays like those guys, whereas today's players all look the same (its mostly 3 pointers and in-stride layups)

Also, keep in mind that the reason teams run offense is to get open shots - but since the lack of spacing in previous eras often prevented open looks, teams ran less offense and relied on player skill to make shots.. Thats why the pace was faster for most of the 2-point era - teams ran less offense.. They just ran up and down and took one contested shot after another - it was a more pure form of the game where the lack of spacing made great plays hard to come by.. It was a little like soccer or baseball where you had to wait for a great play.. Otoh, today's spacing has commodotized great plays - the plays aren't really great anymore because they're available every possession.

Btw, the whole reason for today's spaced-out, commodotized game is the increase in 3-point shooting, which allowed teams to drive-and-kick for 3-pointers instead of 2-pointers.. The extra point drove the efficiency of drive-and-kick higher than post-ups and isolations.. The spaced-out, drive-and-kick format looks prettier but the players are actually worse, simply living off the easy looks generated by spacing.. And make no mistake - if the 3-point line were removed, teams would go back to playing the "ugly", unspaced, inside-out style of previous eras, where great plays were actually great because they were hard to achieve without the spacing
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Old 12-22-2017, 01:48 AM   #20
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Embiid doe.

Def a breath of fresh/older air.

Needs to stay on the court though
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Old 12-22-2017, 01:49 AM   #21
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Spurs where a thing a of beuty to watch. The 86 Celtics where the same way: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3eIvCAsD6gY&t=548s


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Old 12-22-2017, 01:52 AM   #22
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You just dont understand how the game has changed

When there's no spacing, you usually HAVE to take a contested shot.. In previous eras, the 3-point attempts and spacing wasnt there to get good looks everytime like today's game..

The need to make contested shots and score without spacing explains why players had more individually-unique styles back then, as each player developed their own way to convert contested shots - think of bird, gervin, kareem - nobody plays like those guys, whereas today's players all look the same (its mostly 3 pointers and in-stride layups)

Also, keep in mind that the reason teams run offense is to get open shots - but since the lack of spacing in previous eras often prevented open looks, teams ran less offense and relied on player skill to make shots.. Thats why the pace was faster for most of the 2-point era - teams ran less offense.. They just ran up and down and took one contested shot after another - it was a more pure form of the game where the lack of spacing made great plays hard to come by.. It was a little like soccer or baseball where you had to wait for a great play.. Otoh, today's spacing has commodotized great plays - the plays aren't really great anymore because they're available every possession.

Btw, the whole reason for today's spaced-out, commodotized game is the increase in 3-point shooting, which allowed teams to drive-and-kick for 3-pointers instead of 2-pointers.. The extra point drove the efficiency of drive-and-kick higher than post-ups and isolations.. The spaced-out, drive-and-kick format looks prettier but the players are actually worse, simply living off the easy looks generated by spacing.. And make no mistake - if the 3-point line were removed, teams would go back to playing the "ugly", unspaced, inside-out style of previous eras, where great plays were actually great because they were hard to achieve without the spacing

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You see it in college basketball, too. Kids are growing up emulating Curry. If you have range, you don't even need to pass it to an open shooter. Just pull up anytime you have space.

It's en vogue and the less physically taxing style of game to adopt.

I'm all for 3 point specialists as well as implementing the long ball into your game but when I see dudes Richaun Holmes taking 5+ three's per game and during critical periods of the game, it just hurts my head.
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Old 12-22-2017, 01:57 AM   #24
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post play might never be coming back. Besides for less than a handful of once in a generation talents, a post up possession wont be as efficient as a 3 from an average 3pt shooter, even some random player like Crabbeiand im not talking open shots, just 3's in general).

If a team focused on post play, the defense will give him a 1v1. They arent doubling unless someone like Andre Roberson is the open shooter. Memphis and Brooklyn are examples of teams the last few years that have tried relying on post ups(Gasol and Lopez who are both very good) and when is the last time either team was above average on offense.

The Spurs didnt hoist 3's in 2014 but it was more just a lot of fantastic passing/cutting and using post ups for passing opportunities, not scoring.
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Old 12-22-2017, 01:58 AM   #25
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You just dont understand how the game has changed

When there's no spacing, you usually HAVE to take a contested shot.. In previous eras, the 3-point attempts and spacing wasnt there to get good looks everytime like today's game..

The need to make contested shots and score without spacing explains why players had more individually-unique styles back then, as each player developed their own way to convert contested shots - think of bird, gervin, kareem - nobody plays like those guys, whereas today's players all look the same (its mostly 3 pointers and in-stride layups)

Also, keep in mind that the reason teams run offense is to get open shots - but since the lack of spacing in previous eras often prevented open looks, teams ran less offense and relied on player skill to make shots.. Thats why the pace was faster for most of the 2-point era - teams ran less offense.. They just ran up and down and took one contested shot after another - it was a more pure form of the game where the lack of spacing made great plays hard to come by.. It was a little like soccer or baseball where you had to wait for a great play.. Otoh, today's spacing has commodotized great plays - the plays aren't really great anymore because they're available every possession.

Btw, the whole reason for today's spaced-out, commodotized game is the increase in 3-point shooting, which allowed teams to drive-and-kick for 3-pointers instead of 2-pointers.. The extra point drove the efficiency of drive-and-kick higher than post-ups and isolations.. The spaced-out, drive-and-kick format looks prettier but the players are actually worse, simply living off the easy looks generated by spacing.. And make no mistake - if the 3-point line were removed, teams would go back to playing the "ugly", unspaced, inside-out style of previous eras, where great plays were actually great because they were hard to achieve without the spacing

Amazing post

Top notch material right here.
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Old 12-22-2017, 07:04 AM   #26
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Default Re: Myles Turner is the NBA leader in blocks with 2.32 per game. Lowest EVER on record.

3pt and no defense in perimeter ERA, it's normal;
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Old 12-22-2017, 07:07 AM   #27
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Consequences of the excessive 3-point attempts and zero knowledge of post play today
the rules are much more favorable (less physicality allowed) for perimeter play, the rules are the biggest reason
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Old 12-22-2017, 07:19 AM   #28
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Jordan would drop 50PPG in that no D era
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Old 12-22-2017, 08:36 AM   #29
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Dont know but i still canīt get fully used to this modern style of play. Back then bigs would draw double teams and kick the ball out for the 3-point shooters (atleast the 90s) now threes are shot directly with defenses that arent allowed to defend cause of the handchecking rules. I miss the old game. I wanna see teams like the Spurs with great ball movement, post players and the ocasional three: not every play being a three attempt.


handchecking wouldnt do anything to stop this 3 pt chucking... if anything it would encourage even more of it. If getting in the lane was made that much harder (by handcheckin), why not just pull up from 25 and get that 50% bonus? Also, role players and the bulk of non-star players can bang them nowadays at a high clip which wasnt the case at all 20 years ago...you damn near had to be a specialist to hit a lot on good % back then.
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Old 12-22-2017, 08:47 AM   #30
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Also, keep in mind that the reason teams run offense is to get open shots - but since the lack of spacing in previous eras often prevented open looks, teams ran less offense and relied on player skill to make shots..



Thats exactly why the games evolved today from a team perspective (remember..its a team sport). yes..for stars, it is easier because they have that extra spacing to work with, but it terms of total TEAM product, teams are better nowadays than back then because the explosion in versatility and shooting ability has made not only the court much wider to run sets on, but also incorporated a shot that is worth 50% more... teams in the past never took advantage of the multiplier and the spacing from becoming extremely effective with it...that is on them.
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