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Old 12-28-2017, 11:15 AM   #31
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Thats the funny thing, LA welcomes immigrants from anywhere under any circumstances, no questions asked. Just so they can sit on a political high horse vs the rest of the country.

But they dont actually gaf when all these immigrants and transplants show up and have no place to live

Lifestyles of the pompous and pretentious.

Not only that but they will get on their high horse and advocate for $15 minimum wage and increasing the social net because the incremental amount of taxes and increase in cost they would have to pay would not change their lifestyles much (and in the past who cares if taxes went up they could itemize the cost on their federal return.) But when it comes to one of the biggest issue in helping the poor like building new housing they vote for increasing regulations for developers and even when a developer complies with the regulations and the high cost they will still find other means to fight new development. Many of them also vote against building new lines of public transportations to their areas (which would help low income people) because it could increase the amount of homeless people in their area. It's absurd how they do everything in their power to live in their rich bubbles and do everything they can to keep the poor out of them.

Not to mention many of them send their kids to private schools, live in their gated community and never have to deal with poor people unless it involves them working for them.

Now I have noticed in places like Los Angeles they have put in place high speed toll lanes where the rich can just pay extra to not deal with traffic or in the very least deal with less traffic by paying a bit more. Instead the city could just increase public transportation, increase high rise housing etc but nah gotta keep our neighborhoods in tact ..you poor people will need to drive to our neighborhoods to work for us.

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I can't stand the rampant nimbyism everywhere. It's not even the rich neighborhoods, it's also in the middle class and poor neighborhoods. Rich homeowners always looking out for their property prices and the others always complaining about gentrification. Growth won't be possible if the nimbys are supported by the government.

Very true.

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Old 12-28-2017, 11:17 AM   #32
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LA is a miserable shithole. I'm convinced people who like it have never been to a nice city in their lives.


Almost all American cities are artificial though. There is nothing intimate, personal or organic about them.

Yeah, but LA is on its own level. I like to compare LA, SF, portland, seattle, and Vancouver since they are on the same coast (i know Vancouver technically not US), and I would prefer to live in all of them over LA and it's not even close.
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Old 12-28-2017, 11:19 AM   #33
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yea but how do you shrink the gap? If you tax the rich more they leave for a state with less taxes. If you lower the taxes, the rich stay and make more money, but the poor are even worse off. The culture of capitilist greed cant be overcomed... as others have said there are people in this country making 400k a year asking for more... the culture is ****ed.

For one, stop making it a sanctuary for illegal aliens. Cheap labor allows the rich to get richer, and hurts working class bargaining power
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Old 12-28-2017, 11:22 AM   #34
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Not only that but they will get on their high horse and advocate for $15 minimum wage

I can attest that this decision alone will close numerous businesses.
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Old 12-28-2017, 11:22 AM   #35
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LA is a shithole and all my friends that are Aussies/Asian couldn’t believe the worldwide hype it gets. I tell them all to go to San Diego, Ventura or Santa Barbara. First time I drove through LA with my Dad, I was so underwhelmed. The infrastructure is nasty and needed a facelift bad. It was just gross.

It’s really unfortunate that LAX is the first glimpse many non-Americans get when they arrive from the east. Disgruntled employees (there are some nice though) that yell directions at you, messed up signs and no decent food in the terminals.

I’m not talking about TSA either. They have to yell. I can understand thatchinese people may be difficult to deal with though.
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Old 12-28-2017, 11:25 AM   #36
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Where do Americans get this kind of blithering idiocy from? Is it a form of projection due to the fact so much of their country looks like the above? I live in Vienna and there are basically zero homeless people there. Paris is a shithole, sure, but Europe as a whole is in much, much better standing than the US.
Which European cities we talking about here? London and Paris are filthy and filled with homelessness.

Sofia has its fair share but they were gypsys. Australian cities have the least amount of homelessness I’ve ever seen.

EDIT: Missed your Paris comment.

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Old 12-28-2017, 11:37 AM   #37
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Where do Americans get this kind of blithering idiocy from? Is it a form of projection due to the fact so much of their country looks like the above? I live in Vienna and there are basically zero homeless people there. Paris is a shithole, sure, but Europe as a whole is in much, much better standing than the US.

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They found that 14 per cent of Americans, or 26 million people, had been homeless at some point during their lives, and that 7.4 per cent of them, or 13.5 million people, had slept rough (literal homelessness). Estimates of the lifetime prevalence of homelessness have also been undertaken in Belgium (9.6 per cent), Germany (5.6 per cent), Italy (10.5 per cent) and the United Kingdom (13.9 per cent)

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The highest rates for lifetime literal homelessness were found in the UK (7.7%) and United States (6.2%), with the lowest rate in Germany (2.4%), and intermediate rates in Italy (4.0%) and Belgium (3.4%). Less compassionate attitudes toward the homeless were also found on many dimensions in the United States and the UK.
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Old 12-28-2017, 11:39 AM   #38
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LA is a shithole and all my friends that are Aussies/Asian couldnít believe the worldwide hype it gets. I tell them all to go to San Diego, Ventura or Santa Barbara. First time I drove through LA with my Dad, I was so underwhelmed. The infrastructure is nasty and needed a facelift bad. It was just gross.

Itís really unfortunate that LAX is the first glimpse many non-Americans get when they arrive from the east. Disgruntled employees (there are some nice though) that yell directions at you, messed up signs and no decent food in the terminals.

Iím not talking about TSA either. They have to yell. I can understand thatchinese people may be difficult to deal with though.


Heh, I'm about to publish a memoir of the years I lived out there and as I note in the book:

"We landed at Lacrosse airport - which I expected to be some kind of grand aeronautical travel palace, although it was actually kind of meh."
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Old 12-28-2017, 11:39 AM   #39
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Thats because Europe taxes its people more and provides for the lower rung of society (and even the middle class / general infrastructure). USA doesnt do that. Even democrats are considered moderates by world standards. The GOP would be considered fundamentalists.
It's much more how the money is spent tbh. UK and France spend their money like shit, for example--Germans are much more effective in how they do so (though Germany has of late been throwing money away to migrant families in a very wasteful manner). Basically the model built by Wilhelm Ropke in post WW2 Germany was very effective and considerably superior to liberal (in the old sense) and socialist type economics, because it understands that man is more than a data point in a utilitarian calculous.

Doesn't matter how much you tax people, but if you live in a corrupt centralised Empire then the effectiveness of that money is going to be rather slim. Most of it might as well be thrown down a ditch, the way it is spent in the US.

And also, the Austrian government now is more right wing than the GOP, who are a bunch of liberal fanatics pretending to be conservative (they support radical and destructive policies domestically and in foreign policy). America is nothing but a battle ground between two different types of liberals for the most part.


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When did you move from London, and why?
Left end of July. Because the quality of life there is so low, and paying 700 quid a month for a literal room with a shared shower and toilet was perverse. Have a nice place here now near central Vienna for 500 euros a month. It's also just a much nicer city to be in and walk around: cleaner, more beautiful, less loud and hectic, less crime and shitty areas, etc. And i always had wanted to learn German and this was a good opportunity.
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Old 12-28-2017, 12:22 PM   #40
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Which European cities we talking about here? London and Paris are filthy and filled with homelessness.

Sofia has its fair share but they were gypsys. Australian cities have the least amount of homelessness Iíve ever seen.

EDIT: Missed your Paris comment.
My reply was more in regard to his "doomed Europe" comment. I don't see how a place with minuscule crime when compared with the US can be "doomed" and the US not doomed. Parts are bad, yes, but most is still in pretty good standing, certainly when compared to the US. The only place I specified without homeless was Vienna, but Dutch cities were good in this regard too, as are German cities, and Swiss obviously, as well as northern Italy (even Warsaw, Bratislava, Budapest, etc. are very good in comparison to US cities). Haven't been to Spain in a long time so can't comment there.

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Random samples of 250Ė435 adults were interviewed by telephone in five different nations (N= 1,546): Belgium, Germany, Italy, the UK, and the United States

Homelessness in Europe and the United States: A Comparison of Prevalence and Public Opinion. Available from: https://www.researchgate.net/publica...Public_Opinion [accessed Dec 28 2017].

Please get stuffed with these kinds of "studies"--they are worthless. How are all those chronically homeless people on American streets going to answer a landline phone and answer a survey. Ridiculous. I've been all around Europe and the only place that comes close to what i've seen in American cities (whole shanty-towns of people living on the streets) is Paris, and still it isn't as bad as many in the US (London is also bad but not close to equivalent US cities).

Also, I mention Vienna, and you send me back a bunch of shitty stats that don't even claim anything about Austria (as if you'd refuted that point somehow). And if we get to comparing crime (which i brought up because he was like "Europe iz doomed") then forgettaboutit: Europe is clearly in far better standing.

Sometimes things aren't just about wealth. Poland is, by the numbers, a much poorer country than the UK, but London has more knife attacks in 3 months than the whole of Poland has in an entire year.
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Old 12-28-2017, 12:25 PM   #41
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Hardly any of this makes any sense.

Miles and miles of concrete sprawl?

A. Aren't most major cities exactly this?
NYC, Chicago, Toronto, etc.etc.
B. Even then, that's not true. L.A. has various styles of architecture drawing from multiple influences everywhere you look.

Artificial landscaping? Those are natural palm trees, lakes, mountains, oceans, hills etc.

I agree, traffic sucks. But it's the same in almost every major city.

Why would anyone want to live in L.A.?

Weather, entertainment, jobs, location

You can go to the mountains and the beach in an hour's drive. You can hang out by the pier for lunch, go out to dinner on the peninsula, go to a 5 star restaurant or a great hole in the wall. Shopping in Melrose, hiking at Griffith Park, museums, galleries ranging from the best art has to offer to the odd and weird.

There's not just Hollywood but tons of job opportunities in other industries such as the aerospace industry, manufacturing, ports, tech, medical, hospitality, etc. L.A. has one of the biggest economies in the world, it's not solely based in Hollywood.

Long Beach alone is worthy of praise.
lol, no. Just shitty cities. Also i've never been to a city with as god-awful traffic as LA. You spend most of your time in the car if you're trying to move around and see things there.
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Old 12-28-2017, 12:56 PM   #42
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The only people who like LA are poor immigrants like Andgar and TheMan. Their tradie salaries allowed them to narrowly escape the abject poverty they faced at home
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Old 12-28-2017, 02:36 PM   #43
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And also, the Austrian government now is more right wing than the GOP, who are a bunch of liberal fanatics pretending to be conservative (they support radical and destructive policies domestically and in foreign policy). America is nothing but a battle ground between two different types of liberals for the most part.



Left end of July. Because the quality of life there is so low, and paying 700 quid a month for a literal room with a shared shower and toilet was perverse. Have a nice place here now near central Vienna for 500 euros a month. It's also just a much nicer city to be in and walk around: cleaner, more beautiful, less loud and hectic, less crime and shitty areas, etc. And i always had wanted to learn German and this was a good opportunity.
Not a jab but I figured as much
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Old 12-28-2017, 06:45 PM   #44
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People in here just mad they realized they couldn't wear their MAGA hats in LA without a big possibility of getting their ass kicked

But seriously though, all the negatives listed here are pretty well known about LA, the fact that some of you seem really disgruntled and whiny about visiting and actually seeing these things for yourself seems stupid to me. It's like going to the zoo then being all indignant n shit about animals being trapped in their enclosures.
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Old 12-29-2017, 04:52 AM   #45
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People in here just mad they realized they couldn't wear their MAGA hats in LA without a big possibility of getting their ass kicked

But seriously though, all the negatives listed here are pretty well known about LA, the fact that some of you seem really disgruntled and whiny about visiting and actually seeing these things for yourself seems stupid to me. It's like going to the zoo then being all indignant n shit about animals being trapped in their enclosures.
Wow, uncanny analogy
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