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Old 12-27-2017, 04:56 PM   #1
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Default The real reason Democrats are pro-immigration.

The taxes. They need immigration, legal and illegal, to sustain their tax base.

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Three Democratic-leaning states hemorrhaged hundreds of thousands of people in 2016 and 2017 as crime, high taxes, and, in some cases, crummy weather had residents seeking greener pastures elsewhere.

The exodus of residents was most pronounced in New York, which saw about 190,000 people leave the state between July 1, 2016, and July 1, 2017, according to U.S. Census Bureau data released last week.

New York’s domestic out-migration during that time period was about the same as it was during the same time in 2015 and 2016. Since 2010, the state’s outflow of just over 1 million residents has exceeded that of every other state, both in absolute terms and as a share of population, according to the free-market think tank Empire Center.

Despite the massive domestic out-migration flow, New York’s net population grew slightly, largely due to high levels of international immigration and a so-called “natural increase”—the difference between births and deaths in a given year. New York’s net migration was about minus 60,000 residents, but the state had 73,000 more births than deaths, resulting in a net population growth of about 13,000.

Illinois was not so fortunate. Long-beset by twin budget and pension crises and the erosion of its tax base, Illinois lost so many residents that it dropped from the fifth- to the sixth-most populous state in 2017, losing its previous spot to Pennsylvania.

Just under 115,000 Illinois residents decamped for other states between July 2016 and July 2017. Since 2010, the Land of Lincoln has lost about 650,000 residents to other states on net, equal to the combined population of the state’s four largest cities other than Chicago, according to the Illinois Policy Institute.

Illinois’ domestic out-migration problem has become a nightmare for lawmakers, who must find a way to solve the worst pension crisis in the nation as the state’s tax base shrinks year after year. Illinois’ Democratic-dominated legislature has tried to ameliorate the situation with tax hikes, causing even more people to leave and throwing the state into a demographic spiral. Illinois experiences a net loss of about 33,000 residents in 2016, the fourth consecutive year of population decline.


“As people leave the state, they take their pocketbooks with them. That means there are fewer Illinoisans to pay the bills,” Orphe Divounguy, chief economist with the Illinois Policy Institute, told the Chicago Tribune. “It’s worrying because if you have a declining population and a declining labor force, you will for sure have a further slowdown of economic activity going into 2018.”

California was the third deep blue state to experience significant domestic out-migration between July 2016 and July 2017, and it couldn’t blame the outflow on retirees searching for a more agreeable climate. About 138,000 residents left the state during that time period, second only to New York.

However, because California was the top receiving state for international migrants, its net migration was actually 27,000. Add to that number a “natural increase” of 214,000 people, and California’s population grew by about just over 240,000
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Going forward, one factor that could worsen domestic out-migration from New York, California, and Illinois is the newly enacted tax reform bill, which caps state and local tax deductions at $10,000. The limit on the state and local tax deduction is poised to hit taxpayers harder in those states than it will in just about any other.

According to the Tax Foundation, New York, Illinois, and California had three of the five highest tax rates expressed as a percentage of per capita income, with residents paying 12.7 percent, 11 percent, and 11 percent, respectively.

Without mass immigration, these places lose population. Along with that population goes taxes. Also along with that population goes votes.

Without new immigrants to replace the fleeing tax base, places like California and New York and Chicago really start to struggle trying to keep the lights on.
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Old 12-27-2017, 04:58 PM   #2
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Default Re: The real reason Democrats are pro-immigration.

more semantics

im sure the immigrants paying 400 dollars of state taxes are saving these big cities.
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Old 12-27-2017, 05:14 PM   #3
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Default Re: The real reason Democrats are pro-immigration.

I'm reminded of when the Clinton campaign referred to the Latino vote as the "taco bowl". Can you imagine the backlash if Trump or any Republican candidate for that matter said something like that? But since it was Hillary it was just brushed aside.
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Old 12-27-2017, 05:30 PM   #4
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Default Re: The real reason Democrats are pro-immigration.

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I'm reminded of when the Clinton campaign referred to the Latino vote as the "taco bowl". Can you imagine the backlash if Trump or any Republican candidate for that matter said something like that? But since it was Hillary it was just brushed aside.

she was referring to her "taco bowl". thats why.
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Old 12-28-2017, 08:12 AM   #5
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Default Re: The real reason Democrats are pro-immigration.

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more semantics

im sure the immigrants paying 400 dollars of state taxes are saving these big cities.

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Despite the massive domestic out-migration flow, New York’s net population grew slightly, largely due to high levels of international immigration

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Since 2010, the Land of Lincoln has lost about 650,000 residents to other states on net, equal to the combined population of the state’s four largest cities other than Chicago, according to the Illinois Policy Institute.

Pretend the state of Illinois lost the tax revenue from their four biggest cities, other than Chicago. Are you pretending? Okay, open your eyes, because that really happened.

Without immigration to replace Democrat safe havens like New York, California, and Chicago, their populations would be DECREASING. New York and California do have large immigration numbers, so they can replace everyone moving to greener pastures.

But Chicago cannot. Do you know what having 650,000 less tax payers does to your budget? Every year, their budget grows, but for each of the past four years, their population has shrunk.

When we had that discussion about 'eventually there would be more takers then providers'... well, there's a reason Chicago is handing out IOU's to their lottery winners.
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Old 12-28-2017, 11:44 AM   #6
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Default Re: The real reason Democrats are pro-immigration.

It comes down to votes. If I pretend that I really care about the immigrant who I'll never meet or speak to, and if I go on TV to champion their cause, then I've got a voter for life.
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Old 12-29-2017, 08:23 AM   #7
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I'm reminded of when the Clinton campaign referred to the Latino vote as the "taco bowl". Can you imagine the backlash if Trump or any Republican candidate for that matter said something like that? But since it was Hillary it was just brushed aside.
Democrats are just a bunch of whiny delusional cucks.
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Old 12-29-2017, 08:26 AM   #8
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Default Re: The real reason Democrats are pro-immigration.

Humanoids still fighting over muh democrats and muh republicanz. Grow up peepz, both are unacceptable and detrimental for you, as well as the whole world.
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Old 12-29-2017, 08:54 AM   #9
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Default Re: The real reason Democrats are pro-immigration.

Most Democrat politicians USE immigration for votes, just as the GOP.

It's a wedge issue to be honest.

Neither one truly cares one way or another, they're both hypocrites.

Dems pretend to care about immigration to get votes.
GOP pretend to want to prosecute immigration to get votes.

They raise millions upon millions for their campaigns this way.

But at the end of the day, it doesn't affect them personally.

Businesses that donate to the GOP actually WANT undocumented workers, it's all a show.

Not to say that some laws don't pass that are either pro or anti immigration, but the reality is they usually tend to not give a f*ck.

These hypocrites will say they're against illegal immigration yet hire them.
These hypocrites will say the welcome immigrants but will only use them for votes and abandon them and deport them as soon as they can.

It's all a show folks.

Enjoy.
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Old 12-29-2017, 11:39 AM   #10
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Default Re: The real reason Democrats are pro-immigration.

New York metro area (i'm not talking about the rest of NY state) is just incredibly over populated. Insane rent/home prices, decaying public infrastructure, homeless crisis, no inch of free span anywhere, housing crisis, etc.. All these factors should be reducing the population but yet the city still keeps on growing. The rest of the state is another story.
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Old 12-29-2017, 11:57 AM   #11
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New York metro area (i'm not talking about the rest of NY state) is just incredibly over populated. Insane rent/home prices, decaying public infrastructure, homeless crisis, no inch of free span anywhere, housing crisis, etc.. All these factors should be reducing the population but yet the city still keeps on growing. The rest of the state is another story.

Because of immigration.

Without immigration, the city would be losing population, and along with that, they would be losing their tax payers.

I would be willing to bet that NYC's (like Chicago's) operating budget will be higher next year than it was this year. Without immigration, though, there would be less tax payers.

Do that a few years in a row, and then you end up like Chicago and the state of Illinois, which can't pay out its lottery winners. Chicago doesn't have the same immigration patterns, so the city (and the state) is losing population in a hurry. 650,000 taxpayers have fallen off the rolls in the past decade.

As jizzle points out, one tax payer isn't that big of a deal. 1/4 of your tax payers IS a big deal.
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Old 12-29-2017, 12:13 PM   #12
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Default Re: The real reason Democrats are pro-immigration.

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Because of immigration.

Without immigration, the city would be losing population, and along with that, they would be losing their tax payers.

I would be willing to bet that NYC's (like Chicago's) operating budget will be higher next year than it was this year. Without immigration, though, there would be less tax payers.

Do that a few years in a row, and then you end up like Chicago and the state of Illinois, which can't pay out its lottery winners. Chicago doesn't have the same immigration patterns, so the city (and the state) is losing population in a hurry. 650,000 taxpayers have fallen off the rolls in the past decade.

As jizzle points out, one tax payer isn't that big of a deal. 1/4 of your tax payers IS a big deal.

youre a moron.

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Already in 1870 immigrants made up a larger proportion of the city's population (48 percent) than any other place in North America. During an 80-year period between 1880 and 1960 the size of Chicago's foreign-born population was second only to that of New York City. Local immigration patterns unfolded in a manner parallel to those of the nation. Mid-19th century arrivals from Ireland and Germany were followed by large numbers of Russian Jews, Slavs, and Italians in the years 1880-1920. Since the immigration reforms of 1965, the city and its suburbs have attracted growing numbers of Asians and Latin Americans.

The Chicago region continues to have one of the largest and most diverse immigrant populations in the country. Among metropolitan areas, the number of Chicago-area immigrants ranks seventh in the nation, with 1.4 million immigrants who constitute 18 percent of the overall population.

yup, they need to bring in more immigrants to pay taxes. integrity is important, believing in what you only want to believe. even in your own article you choose to ignore contradictory facts.
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Old 01-01-2018, 10:13 AM   #13
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youre a moron.



yup, they need to bring in more immigrants to pay taxes. integrity is important, believing in what you only want to believe. even in your own article you choose to ignore contradictory facts.

The 2016 budget for NYC is an increase of $100,000,000 over the 2015 budget.

You think those 13k people can pay that difference? Or... Do you think that a flood of immigrants into the city is who really pays the difference?

I'm a moron, but you can't math.
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