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Old 01-01-2018, 03:13 PM   #16
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What?

They almost won the year before with the Green suspension and Harrison Barnes playing about as bad as a pro can possibly play.

Exposed?

So your point is that Durant is better than Harrison Barnes? Okay...totally agree.

This is a team that accomplished historic shit without Durant and seems to win about 90% of the time without him as well.


Read between the lines young blood.

When it comes to beating the Cavs, they need KD. He owns Bran's soul now. Any other team KD or Curry can take a nap at mid-court and they'd win.

When it comes to the big stage, your stars will carry you, not your roleplayers. With KD the Cavs don't have the luxury of trapping Curry all game and running Klay off of the 3-point line.

And even when they try to trap KD like we saw on Christmas, he's such a skilled player offensively that he can still score anyways.

So in essence, Curry is more valuable for the team 99% of the time. But that 1% (against the Cavs) KD is more valuable.
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Old 01-01-2018, 03:52 PM   #17
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Durant is playing All-NBA level defense while providing similar production on offense. He's both better and more valuable.
Every single statistic proves this a completely faulty statement. I've seen you write this before and it's nonsense. We've seen with KD that they are an incredible ordinary offensive team and elite defensively. They're one of the best offensive teams of all time when Steph is there, regardless of KD.
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Old 01-02-2018, 11:32 AM   #18
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11 game stretch without Curry
17th off efficiency
27th in 3P %
3 games under 100, took 6 games entire 2016 season

You're right bd, KD provides a similar offensive contribution.
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Old 01-02-2018, 01:54 PM   #19
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Every single statistic proves this a completely faulty statement. I've seen you write this before and it's nonsense. We've seen with KD that they are an incredible ordinary offensive team and elite defensively. They're one of the best offensive teams of all time when Steph is there, regardless of KD.



I said similar production. I'm willing to concede that the offense is more explosive with Curry instead of Durant, but that doesn't compensate for the fact that Durant is an elite 1-5 defender. You also have to consider that there's only one ball, and that defense is more important to this Warriors squad than offensive production. The team can replace Curry's offensive production easier than they can replace Durant's offensive + defensive production.
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Old 01-02-2018, 01:59 PM   #20
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Steph Curry is the best team offensive catalyst of all time... even moreso than Magic Johnson.
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Old 01-02-2018, 02:03 PM   #21
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I said similar production. I'm willing to concede that the offense is more explosive with Curry instead of Durant, but that doesn't compensate for the fact that Durant is an elite 1-5 defender. You also have to consider that there's only one ball, and that defense is more important to this Warriors squad than offensive production. The team can replace Curry's offensive production easier than they can replace Durant's offensive + defensive production.
But they're not similar, I just showed you in my last post the difference is monumental. And that was in an easy schedule. The offense becomes completely ordinary without Curry.

As for KD's off and def > Curry's off, that's a big gamble. We've seen one way work, the other at another team has failed.
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Old 01-02-2018, 04:40 PM   #22
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Read between the lines young blood.

When it comes to beating the Cavs, they need KD. He owns Bran's soul now. Any other team KD or Curry can take a nap at mid-court and they'd win.

When it comes to the big stage, your stars will carry you, not your roleplayers. With KD the Cavs don't have the luxury of trapping Curry all game and running Klay off of the 3-point line.

And even when they try to trap KD like we saw on Christmas, he's such a skilled player offensively that he can still score anyways.

So in essence, Curry is more valuable for the team 99% of the time. But that 1% (against the Cavs) KD is more valuable.


No, they need to not have a suspension and for a player in the Barnes role to not only score 9 points per game in 31 minutes while shooting 43% TS.

Don't need KD at all. They legit need an average starting player in that role and they'd still be clear cut favorites to win it.

I swear it is like people don't think the 15 and 16 NBA seasons exist.
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Old 01-02-2018, 05:01 PM   #23
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No, they need to not have a suspension and for a player in the Barnes role to not only score 9 points per game in 31 minutes while shooting 43% TS.

Don't need KD at all. They legit need an average starting player in that role and they'd still be clear cut favorites to win it.

I swear it is like people don't think the 15 and 16 NBA seasons exist.

2015 Cavs had injuries.

2016 Warriors had injuries to Iggy, Bogut, Livingston, and Curry (slightly hobbled couldn't even drive past Love anymore). Plus Draymond suspension.

2017 KD hit the clutch dagger in Bran's face and put an end to Kyrie's heroics. No one else on the team would have been capable of hitting that shot. Especially not an "average starting player" lmao. They needed every bit of KD's 35+ points on 40/50/90 with elite DPOY level defense. To say anything less is asinine.

In 2017 both teams were at full strength. Just stop the narratives young blood and use your mind for a second. In the finals stars shine. If a team is relying on roleplayers to bail them out in the Finals then they are a flawed team. Plain and simple.
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Old 01-02-2018, 05:21 PM   #24
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2015 Cavs had injuries.

2016 Warriors had injuries to Iggy, Bogut, Livingston, and Curry (slightly hobbled couldn't even drive past Love anymore). Plus Draymond suspension.

2017 KD hit the clutch dagger in Bran's face and put an end to Kyrie's heroics. No one else on the team would have been capable of hitting that shot. Especially not an "average starting player" lmao. They needed every bit of KD's 35+ points on 40/50/90 with elite DPOY level defense. To say anything less is asinine.

In 2017 both teams were at full strength. Just stop the narratives young blood and use your mind for a second. In the finals stars shine. If a team is relying on roleplayers to bail them out in the Finals then they are a flawed team. Plain and simple.

Livingston was hurt now to? Sure you watched the series young blood?
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Old 01-02-2018, 05:25 PM   #25
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2015 Cavs had injuries.

2016 Warriors had injuries to Iggy, Bogut, Livingston, and Curry (slightly hobbled couldn't even drive past Love anymore). Plus Draymond suspension.

2017 KD hit the clutch dagger in Bran's face and put an end to Kyrie's heroics. No one else on the team would have been capable of hitting that shot. Especially not an "average starting player" lmao. They needed every bit of KD's 35+ points on 40/50/90 with elite DPOY level defense. To say anything less is asinine.

In 2017 both teams were at full strength. Just stop the narratives young blood and use your mind for a second. In the finals stars shine. If a team is relying on roleplayers to bail them out in the Finals then they are a flawed team. Plain and simple.

you just added reasons for DMAVS being right...



either way, Livingston was injured now also, 'ol sport?

Dude they won 3/4 games by 15 ppg average, they literally did not need all of KD's 35 points.
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Old 01-02-2018, 06:18 PM   #26
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Tough to say. I think durant is clearly the better player and he has a legit claim for best in the league, and I wouldnt say that about steph.

Steph is a monster though. I think we still take for granted just how ridiculous his shooting is. Players literally have to watch him at all times and even that doesn't stop him from getting his shots off. He definitely makes the game a lot easier for his teammates.

I would still definitely take durant though.
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Old 01-02-2018, 06:36 PM   #27
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you just added reasons for DMAVS being right...



either way, Livingston was injured now also, 'ol sport?

Dude they won 3/4 games by 15 ppg average, they literally did not need all of KD's 35 points.

Here comes the neighborhood wheel bucket

Livingston was a lil' hobbled youngin'.

They needed him when KD hit that dagger in Bran's grill though
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Old 01-03-2018, 12:49 AM   #28
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Default Re: "Durant is more valuable than Curry"

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2015 Cavs had injuries.

2016 Warriors had injuries to Iggy, Bogut, Livingston, and Curry (slightly hobbled couldn't even drive past Love anymore). Plus Draymond suspension.

2017 KD hit the clutch dagger in Bran's face and put an end to Kyrie's heroics. No one else on the team would have been capable of hitting that shot. Especially not an "average starting player" lmao. They needed every bit of KD's 35+ points on 40/50/90 with elite DPOY level defense. To say anything less is asinine.

In 2017 both teams were at full strength. Just stop the narratives young blood and use your mind for a second. In the finals stars shine. If a team is relying on roleplayers to bail them out in the Finals then they are a flawed team. Plain and simple.

So despite all of those things, they almost won the championship in game 7. You re proving that DMAVS is right.
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Old 01-03-2018, 01:04 AM   #29
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So despite all of those things, they almost won the championship in game 7. You re proving that DMAVS is right.

There wouldn't have been a game 7 without those things. Just like how the Cavs would have put up a much better fight in 2015 if Love and Irving weren't injured.

The point being that 2015 and 2016 were a wash due to injuries/suspension. Keep up young buck
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