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Old 02-26-2018, 04:51 AM   #16
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Great post, James is GOAT, in 5 years easily GOAT. Jordan fans may cry, but they won't change the facts.
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Old 02-26-2018, 05:09 AM   #17
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All-time leading scorer?
40K-10K-10K?
MVPs, ships, FMVPs?
cca. 20x All-Star?
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Old 02-26-2018, 05:33 AM   #18
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Old 02-26-2018, 06:02 AM   #19
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Before i get into each stat, the OP omitted scoring from his list.. Jordan scored 5 more ppg in the playoffs and also in the regular season as a Bull.. This massive scoring edge (especially in the 4th) trumps any statistical edge that lebron has - obviously, lebron would be a far more dominant player if he averaged 5 more ppg.. Also, op's stats include jordan's Wizard years, whereas lebron is still in his prime b4 his stats decline.. Ok, now lets start from the top:

FIELD GOAL PERCENTAGE - it's a testament to jordan's goatness that he has the same fg% as lebron despite shooting and scoring much more, and also carrying a much larger scoring burden (percentage of team pts scored)..

REBOUNDS - Jordan averaged more offensive rebounds.. Lebron has the defensive rebounding edge.. Not much to say here.. History shows that teams simply don't need their SG or SF to grab a lot of defensive rebounds to win rings - a wing grabbing defensive boards isn't a factor that drives winning, in part because defensive rebounds are the most replaceable stat and its really the pf and center's job

ASSISTS - Lebron plays point guard, yet he only holds a small edge in assists over a SG, and that edge is offset by higher turnovers.. Furthermore, considering jordan's huge scoring edge, his minor assist deficit is actually quite impressive, especially considering his assists are achieved with much less ball-domination

3 PT PERCENTAGE - Jordan's era simply didn't value or use the 3 pt line.. Regardless, Lebron has 2 Finals where he missed over 75% of his jumpshots, whereas jordan was a knockdown shooter - he was a pure shooter with arguably the best form in history.. And again, its a testament to jordan's goatness that he's the goat scorer WITHOUT using the 3 pt line!!.. Thats how skilled he was at every other area of scoring

BOX SCORE PLUS/MINUS - if we look at jordan's bulls career, his bpm is 9.0 to lebron's 9.1.. If you include the wizards years, it falls to 8.1.. So lets wait until lebron's career is over and his stats decline a bit.. But honestly, bpm includes both offensive and defensive bpm.. The defensive bpm is based on team performance, and quite bogus.. That's why the stat shows bird being a better defender than pippen.. Defensive rating shows the same thing, because it is also based off team stats.. Btw, given lebron's horrific defense since 2014,, its a joke to say he's a better defender than jordan

VORP - Jordan has higher VORP on average, but lebron simply played more games to accumulate more VORP points.. So op is fos.. Anyone can look at either player's stats and see that jordan's yearly vorp is higher... and before last season, he owned the top 2 vorps ever in a season.. So nice try op, but jordan achieved higher vorp on average

TRUE SHOOTING % - Again, given jordan's significant scoring edge, the fact that he's only 1.5% behind in regular season and 0.5% behind in the playoffs is a positive.. Lebron fans would easily give up 1% true shooting for 5 more ppg

PLAYOFF WINS - Jordan has 6 rings in 13 playoff runs, versus 3 in 12 for lebron.. Not sure what else needs to be said..

PLAYOFF 1ST RD LOSSES - jordan's first round losses > lebron missing the playoffs twice in 20p4 and 2005.. But lets imagine that lebron snuck in as the 8 seed - what would happen?.. Obviously, he would get swept twice by the champion pistons and be 0-8.. Maybe 1-7.. Also, the "better team" argument works BEST for a horrible 8 seed facing a 1 seed, and WORST for 2 Finals teams.. A Finals team shouldnt get to use that excuse

WIN SHARES - this category is like VORP, where jordan has the highest average win shares per season, but lebron played more games.. There is a stat for average win share - its called win share per 48, and jordan is #1 all-time in RS and PO

FINALS APPEARANCES - if appearing in the Finals means more than winning it, then someone with 8 straight conference finals appearances did more than lebron WINNING 7 straight conference finals, which makes no sense..

Sorry folks, but winning still matters.. I know that sucks for bron fans.. Of course, lebron's Finals appearances mean even less because he team-hopped twice and landed on teams that were favored to make the Finals in year 1.. Obviously, that's a far easier road to a ring than landing on a lottery team and waiting years to build the championship chemistry needed to win

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Old 02-26-2018, 06:17 AM   #20
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I don't have time to read all this. But Lebron lost to the Mavs when he had Bosh and Wade. Dirk dominated him. He choked. Lebron also lost to the Spurs with Bosh and Wade, and by record margins. Lost last year against Warriors, but HELLO he had Irving and Love. If he's so great, why does he never have enough help? Lost 5 out of 8 NBA Finals and 2 of them were inches aways from losses. Despite that he still has a losing record. He could lose 10 times and you'd say that only proves how much better he is than Jordan.

The only thing he's better at than Jordan is controlling his team & franchise, and not in a positive way.
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Old 02-26-2018, 06:19 AM   #21
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Isn't Bonner a Celtics fan, why is this guys riding Lebron on a constant basis? Did he forget his team had a rivalry with him only a few years ago?
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Old 02-26-2018, 06:20 AM   #22
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I don't have time to read all this. But Lebron lost to the Mavs when he had Bosh and Wade. Dirk dominated him. He choked. Lebron also lost to the Spurs with Bosh and Wade, and by record margins. Lost last year against Warriors, but HELLO he had Irving and Love. If he's so great, why does he never have enough help? Lost 5 out of 8 NBA Finals and 2 of them were inches aways from losses. Despite that he still has a losing record. He could lose 10 times and you'd say that only proves how much better he is than Jordan.

The only thing he's better at than Jordan is controlling his team & franchise, and not in a positive way.

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Old 02-26-2018, 06:44 AM   #23
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retire lebron

tired of seeing you screw up the nba and every damn bball forum that exists

you're not the goat, you never will be

you stiff armed, flopped, and colluded your way to each and every final you ever got in and even more embarrassingly the refs never even call fouls on you

lol @ anyone that thinks a goat can be a goat without playing defense

he flat out ran out of the way of the warriors multiple times last year

get over it bran stans.. it's over
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Old 02-26-2018, 07:05 AM   #24
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LeBrons not greater than MJ yet but if he somehow pulls an upset against the ultrastacked Warriors/Rockets hes easily the GOAT.
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Old 02-26-2018, 07:08 AM   #25
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For a guy with 8k posts I had never paid much attention to the OP

But after seeing this thread, he's an absolutely delusional piece of shit. Another low IQ ISHidiot.
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Old 02-26-2018, 07:08 AM   #26
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LeBrons not greater than MJ yet but if he somehow pulls an upset against the ultrastacked Warriors/Rockets hes easily the GOAT.

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Old 02-26-2018, 07:39 AM   #27
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FIELD GOAL PERCENTAGE - it's a testament to jordan's goatness that he has the same fg% as lebron despite shooting and scoring much more, and also carrying a much larger scoring


Scoring against 1 on 1 coverages in the Ilegal defense era.

1.7 3FGA compared to Bron's 4.1 3FGA.
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Old 02-26-2018, 07:45 AM   #28
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3 PT PERCENTAGE - Jordan's era simply didn't value or use the 3 pt line.. Regardless, Lebron has 2 Finals where he missed over 75% of his jumpshots, whereas jordan was a knockdown shooter - he was a pure shooter with arguably the best form in history.. And again, its a testament to jordan's goatness that he's the goat scorer WITHOUT using the 3 pt line!!.. Thats how skilled he was at every other area of scoring

Shorter three point line in the mid-90s..
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Old 02-26-2018, 10:25 AM   #29
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Lebron will never be better than Jordan. op is a waste of time.
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Old 02-26-2018, 10:26 AM   #30
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wow. u bron stans really need to stop taking drug.
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