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Old 03-02-2018, 10:30 AM   #16
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i really dont understand why you guys are always coming up with the "socialism" accusation. we have something called the "social market economy". i tell you what: yes its true that we have high taxes and high social security contributions, yes we have free university, yes health care is cheap in comparison to the usa, yes every child up the age of 25 has free access to health care, yes we have a labour law that protects the workers, we dont have the hire and fire mentality. yes, every employeur is firced to pay half of the cost for the unemployment-, nursing care-, and health insurence. yes, we have big labour unions and basically every firm above 30 or 50 workers has irs own employee representative/workers committe. and do you know what? still... we have 1.2 million millionairs and more than 200 billionairs

Okie dokie.

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FIELD LISTING :: POPULATION BELOW POVERTY LINE

Germany 16.7% (2015 est.)
United States 15.1% (2010 est.)

https://www.cia.gov/library/publicat...elds/2046.html

The 2013 estimate for the US is 14.5%.
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Old 03-02-2018, 10:34 AM   #17
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i really dont understand why you guys are always coming up with the "socialism" accusation. we have something called the "social market economy". i tell you what: yes its true that we have high taxes and high social security contributions, yes we have free university, yes health care is cheap in comparison to the usa, yes every child up the age of 25 has free access to health care, yes we have a labour law that protects the workers, we dont have the hire and fire mentality. yes, every employeur is firced to pay half of the cost for the unemployment-, nursing care-, and health insurence. yes, we have big labour unions and basically every firm above 30 or 50 workers has irs own employee representative/workers committe. and do you know what? still... we have 1.2 million millionairs and more than 200 billionairs

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saying that im completely with you uk2k regarding immigration. costs right know: 50 billion every year, because they all have access to free healrh care, rent is oaid by the state, for every child immigrants get 230 . and they have 405 pocket money.


UK literally thinks you guys all live in same size houses, with same jobs, and bread rations. He is American ignorance at its highest level.
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Old 03-02-2018, 10:40 AM   #18
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Okie dokie.



The 2013 estimate for the US is 14.5%.

yes.but poverty is relative. in germany the state pays every unemployed man his rent, free health care, free day care, school etc, for every child he gets 240€ andat the end 500€ social help... so of course he is poor, but he is still better than any american poor. and with more immigration and more transition of working poor from eastern europe our welfare state cant withstand this. 2 weeks ago there was a story in the newspapers about a syrian refugee who has 3 wifes and 10 children. his rent was paid by the state and all in all the state paid 7.000€ a month for this family. a slap in the face for every working german, no doubt

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Old 03-02-2018, 10:52 AM   #19
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yes.but poverty is relative. in germany the state pays every unemployed man his rent, free health care, free day care, school etc, for every child he gets 240€ andat the end 500€ social help... so of course he is poor, but he is still better than any american poor. and with more immigration and more transition of working poor from eastern europe our welfare state cant withstand this. 2 weeks ago there was a story in the newspapers about a syrian refugee who has 3 wifes and 10 children. his rent was paid by the state and all in all the state paid 7.000€ a month for this family. a slap in the face for every working german, no doubt

That's my biggest issue.

When you live in a country of 330 million, there are undoubtedly going to be a small, but numerically large, portion of people who will exploit the system.

There's a reason refugees from the ME, fleeing violence and conflict, bypass several 'safe' countries in order to get to Germany; and what you are seeing now is what happens when the numbers of takers start to overwhelm the number of providers.

Nearly half of this country doesn't pay federal income tax.

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A Pew Research Center analysis of IRS data from 2015, the most recent available, shows that taxpayers with incomes of $200,000 or more paid well over half (58.8%) of federal income taxes, though they accounted for only 4.5% of all returns filed (6.8% of all taxable returns).

By contrast, taxpayers with incomes below $30,000 filed nearly 44% of all returns but paid just 1.4% of all federal income tax – in fact, two-thirds of the nearly 66 million returns filed by people in that lowest income tier owed no tax at all. (The IRS tax data used here are estimates based on a stratified probability sample of all returns.)

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Nearly all income tiers above $100,000 paid higher shares of total income tax in 2015 than they did in 2000 (though the shares for many high-income groups fell in the early 2000s, following enactment of major tax cuts in 2001 and 2003). For example, the $2 million-and-higher group paid 20.4% of all tax in 2015, up from 17.2% in 2000. The share for the $200,000-to-under-$500,000 group rose to 20.6% from 14.9%.

California has some of the most liberal polices in the country; they also have one of the highest income disparities and the highest population of homeless anywhere.

I don't mind safety nets. I don't mind helping people who wish to help themselves.

But these days, those people are few and far between. My fiance was up until 11:30pm on Wednesday making a user profile for some girl for her new job (that she was supposed to start Thursday morning) who, for whatever reason, couldn't make her profile herself.

Thursday morning rolls around, and the girl just straight up doesn't show for work. No call, no show the first day on the job. My fiance called her, and the excuse was 'my boyfriend (who is also looking for a job) and I were trying to have a baby'.



What in the **** for?

But, since we can't legislate these people from making stupid choices, we have to suffer the consequences of them.
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Old 03-02-2018, 12:02 PM   #20
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Default Re: Angela Merkel admits German NO-GO zones are 'a REALITY'

If I move to a country like Germany or Sweden and say I'm a refugee, will they give a free house, free food, free health care, etc.? C'mon, its not just people from the third world that like free stuff; I like free stuff too!

Or, we can simplify things and they can just mail me a fat check here to the US and we'll call it even.
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Old 03-02-2018, 02:57 PM   #21
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Germany has one of the most elite economies in the world, highest qualities of life, a government thats running the largest trade surplus in the world, every citizen has access to high quality schooling and training of every kind, every person has access to healthcare with better outcomes for less money paid, and they are state of the art in pretty much everything. Their public and private sectors are both booming.

USA otoh is running the largest trade deficit in the history of the world, its government is completely incapable of developing or implementing any successful infrastructure, is cycling in and out of depressions, and as far as no-go zones go, it is riddled with more ghettos and violence than all of Europe combined nevermind Germany.

America may have problems with ghettos and violence but that is not the same as a no go zone. If Germany can't enforce any kind of law and order and it's security services can't enter certain areas we have no idea what's brewing and how to protect ourselves. Considering the amount of terrorist attacks we've had in the U.K in the last year this will only end badly unless Germany rectify it.

Sometimes I wish my little island could push itself out into the Atlantic where it would be safer.
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Old 03-02-2018, 03:16 PM   #22
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America may have problems with ghettos and violence but that is not the same as a no go zone. If Germany can't enforce any kind of law and order and it's security services can't enter certain areas we have no idea what's brewing and how to protect ourselves. Considering the amount of terrorist attacks we've had in the U.K in the last year this will only end badly unless Germany rectify it.

Sometimes I wish my little island could push itself out into the Atlantic where it would be safer.


trust me...there are parts of many usa city that cannot be entered or have law enforced. granted, they are full of people just killing one another and not plotting against outsiders like the europe migrants may be.
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Old 03-02-2018, 03:26 PM   #23
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Its just funny to see a USA citizen complain about germany governments job when his own government has been hilariously incompetent in almost every way by comparison.
Ok, but that's not the topic. In terms of immigration, Germany and EU screwed up and have been having problems since.
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Old 03-02-2018, 04:12 PM   #24
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Okie dokie.



The 2013 estimate for the US is 14.5%.
poverty is relative, in my country you are regarded poor if you don't have 3000 dollar saved up for an unexpected bill. In USA your probably above the line if you have food on the table.
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Old 03-06-2018, 05:47 AM   #25
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I do find Americans hilarious with their "no-go zones" schtick, as if the most dangerous areas in Germany weren't safer than almost every large American city. If Germany has "no-go zones" they pale in comparison to what you have over there.

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Germany has one of the most elite economies in the world, highest qualities of life, a government thats running the largest trade surplus in the world, every citizen has access to high quality schooling and training of every kind, every person has access to healthcare with better outcomes for less money paid, and they are state of the art in pretty much everything. Their public and private sectors are both booming.

USA otoh is running the largest trade deficit in the history of the world, its government is completely incapable of developing or implementing any successful infrastructure, is cycling in and out of depressions, and as far as no-go zones go, it is riddled with more ghettos and violence than all of Europe combined nevermind Germany.

Despite what i said above Germany has got a good deal more dangerous over the past few years. People who think inviting in an underclass from very different parts of the world (particularly if they are young men) won't result in large increases in violent crime are completely delusional. European politicians are sacrificing the safety of their citizens--the people whose interests they are supposed to represent--so they can engage in moral grandstanding; it is pathetic.
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Old 03-06-2018, 05:51 AM   #26
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i really dont understand why you guys are always coming up with the "socialism" accusation. we have something called the "social market economy". i tell you what: yes its true that we have high taxes and high social security contributions, yes we have free university, yes health care is cheap in comparison to the usa, yes every child up the age of 25 has free access to health care, yes we have a labour law that protects the workers, we dont have the hire and fire mentality. yes, every employeur is firced to pay half of the cost for the unemployment-, nursing care-, and health insurence. yes, we have big labour unions and basically every firm above 30 or 50 workers has irs own employee representative/workers committe. and do you know what? still... we have 1.2 million millionairs and more than 200 billionairs

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saying that im completely with you uk2k regarding immigration. costs right know: 50 billion every year, because they all have access to free healrh care, rent is oaid by the state, for every child immigrants get 230 . and they have 405 pocket money.

And the reality of the matter is that such things are not remotely sustainable in the long-run with a multicultural society; the fact is that German political/economic organisation would not work in many European countries, let alone a big mix up from all over the world.
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Is there anywhere in the US that people are afraid to go?
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Old 03-06-2018, 06:42 AM   #28
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Is there anywhere in the US that people are afraid to go?
Schools?
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Old 03-06-2018, 06:43 AM   #29
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And the reality of the matter is that such things are not remotely sustainable in the long-run with a multicultural society; the fact is that German political/economic organisation would not work in many European countries, let alone a big mix up from all over the world.

you are right. thats why i am against the"free mouvement of workers" which is one of the main european pillars. it only benifices the firms, enterprises and groups and leads to a workers surpluss and dumping wages. and thats also the reasonon why i am against mass immigration of so called refugees.
furthermore germany has big industries, e.g. the automobile industry ( volkswagen, audi, porsche, mercedes, bmw, opel) and other hightech firms as bosch, siemens or the pharma industry and all of their supply firms are giving million of jobs. but the real strength of germany are the medium sized companies, who are often so called "hidden champions", that means that you dont know their names, but they are world leaders in their area.


now globalization and delocalisation and mass immigration is destroying the beautiful germany and its welfare state that our ancestors built up

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Old 03-06-2018, 11:13 AM   #30
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trust me...there are parts of many usa city that cannot be entered or have law enforced. granted, they are full of people just killing one another and not plotting against outsiders like the europe migrants may be.

I don't trust you. Name these parts of many usa cities where I can't enter and there will be no law enforcement response?
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