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Old 03-06-2018, 12:21 PM   #1
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Default interesting speech about differences between the us and german prison system

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Old 03-06-2018, 12:27 PM   #2
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I'm sorry, but there is just a different breed of human here in the states. You can't compare America to Sweden. You can't compare America to Ireland, or The Netherlands, or Belgium, or Germany, or France, or Austria.

The type of criminal that grows up in Germany is NOT even in the same ballpark compared to some of the criminals we have here.

It's a culture thing. Just like we can look at races and see there is a difference in IQs that goes deeper than just genetics, there is a culture here that turns kids into monsters, with or without prison, that kids in Europe don't deal with.

We have different prisons because we house different animals. Dump the inmates in San Quentin into a German prison and they'll be running that place before the week is up.
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Old 03-06-2018, 12:50 PM   #3
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in northern europe we rehabilitate. in america you punish

ill let you decide whats best
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in northern europe we rehabilitate. in america you punish

ill let you decide whats best

How many times do we rehabilitate a drunk driver, would you say?

Because I saw today a lady in KY with a suspended license hit a little kid on a bike while she was drunk. This is her 3rd offense.

How many chances, in your opinion, do we allow her to fix herself before we start to punish?
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Old 03-06-2018, 01:08 PM   #5
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Default Re: interesting speech about differences between the us and german prison system

It's rehabilitation vs justice.

Rehab is better but justice feels much better.

Sending murderers and rapists to what basically is a vacation is un-American.

The idea of child rapists and mass murderers having a nice life, even nicer than if they've been outside, is just so unacceptable to Americans.
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Old 03-06-2018, 01:10 PM   #6
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How many times do we rehabilitate a drunk driver, would you say?

Because I saw today a lady in KY with a suspended license hit a little kid on a bike while she was drunk. This is her 3rd offense.

How many chances, in your opinion, do we allow her to fix herself before we start to punish?
you realize that the lady you saw in KY has not been rehabilitated, but rathe punished

its pretty well documented that the chances of you doing the crime again is much, much larger in america than in lets say Norway. Where rehabilitation has worked amazingly
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Old 03-06-2018, 01:11 PM   #7
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It's rehabilitation vs justice.

Rehab is better but justice feels much better.

Sending murderers and rapists to what basically is a vacation is un-American.

The idea of child rapists and mass murderers having a nice life, even nicer than if they've been outside, is just so unacceptable to Americans.
you realize child rapists and mass murderers is less than 1% of everyone sitting in jail?
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Old 03-06-2018, 01:12 PM   #8
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and even them were cute and inocent kids at one point. kids that was let down by society
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you realize child rapists and mass murderers is less than 1% of everyone sitting in jail?
That may be so, but it gets 90% of the attention.
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you realize that the lady you saw in KY has not been rehabilitated, but rathe punished

its pretty well documented that the chances of you doing the crime again is much, much larger in america than in lets say Norway. Where rehabilitation has worked amazingly

No, she was rehabilitated the first two times. Probably sentenced to rehab and community service. Otherwise, she wouldn't have been on the street.

So... did it work, or nah?
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Default Re: interesting speech about differences between the us and german prison system

im for a mix between the us and the german system.

i am in favor of 1 cell per prisoner: privacy is very important
i am in favor of many activities: apprenticeships, high school degree, sport and time outside of the prison
parole should be always the case: you are going nuts and influence other inmates when you know that you will never leave the prison


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its j not acceptable that in germany murderers or mass rapists only getting 8-12 years. "life in prison" is 15-18 years in germamy - and thats only for the super psychopath murderers a la kenneth bianchi
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im for a mix between the us and the german system.

i am in favor of 1 cell per prisoner: privacy is very important
i am in favor of many activities: apprenticeships, high school degree, sport and time outside of the prison
parole should be always the case: you are going nuts and influence other inmates when you know that you will never leave the prison


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its j not acceptable that in germany murderers or mass rapists only getting 8-12 years. "life in prison" is 15-18 years in germamy - and thats only for the super psychopath murderers a la kenneth bianchi

Yeah, thing is, if prison here was like a country club, people would A) be getting stabbed and exploited left and right, more so then they already do and B) nobody would be afraid of prison, so nobody would give a shit about going back.

Because, as I said, that's the culture here. It just is. You can't take practices that are successfully in Europe and implement them here. It won't work. because we are simply not the same people.

Again, take the prisoners at San Quentin and dump them into any prison in Europe and they'd be running that place. It's no different than taking the prison population of San Pedro prison and putting them into a European jail. They're animals.
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Old 03-06-2018, 02:54 PM   #13
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Default Re: interesting speech about differences between the us and german prison system

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It's rehabilitation vs justice.

Rehab is better but justice feels much better.

Sending murderers and rapists to what basically is a vacation is un-American.

The idea of child rapists and mass murderers having a nice life, even nicer than if they've been outside, is just so unacceptable to Americans.


Most people in jail arent in it for anything that serious. Most got nipped for simple possesion, or some other minor offense and learned the professional criminal trade once they were locked up and around fellow criminals. (with their rep and credit already ruined so they have no other avenue for making money)
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Yeah, thing is, if prison here was like a country club, people would A) be getting stabbed and exploited left and right, more so then they already do and B) nobody would be afraid of prison, so nobody would give a shit about going back.

Because, as I said, that's the culture here. It just is. You can't take practices that are successfully in Europe and implement them here. It won't work. because we are simply not the same people.

Again, take the prisoners at San Quentin and dump them into any prison in Europe and they'd be running that place. It's no different than taking the prison population of San Pedro prison and putting them into a European jail. They're animals.


Of course if you hand out unjust long sentences and life sentences like candy giving guys nothing to lose, jam em all up in dirty cages all over one another, promise them hell when they get out acheiving anything financially in life, and leave them to themselves to play cards and plot all day you will breed a special type of super criminal.

We literally have for profit prisons here ... what a great idea! LOL
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Old 03-06-2018, 07:49 PM   #15
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Most people in jail arent in it for anything that serious. Most got nipped for simple possesion, or some other minor offense and learned the professional criminal trade once they were locked up and around fellow criminals. (with their rep and credit already ruined so they have no other avenue for making money)
That's already well known. No one disputes that.
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