1-9 happened, so deal with it, learn from your mistakes and move on

And Lebron missed the playoffs his first 2 seasons (04' and 05'), which is worse than 1-9.

But what if Lebron's Cavs had snuck in as the 8 seed on 04' and 05'?.. Obviously, they would've been swept by the champion Pistons and be 0-8, maybe 1-7

Ultimately, 6 rings > 3 rings plus 2 extra Finals appearances... Amirite?..

And Lebron missed the playoffs his first 2 seasons (04' and 05'), which is worse than 1-9.

But what if Lebron's Cavs had snuck in as the 8 seed on 04' and 05'?.. Obviously, they would've been swept by the champion Pistons and be 0-8, maybe 1-7

Ultimately, 6 rings > 3 rings plus 2 extra Finals appearances... Amirite?..

3ball please post something more interesting.

How about some stories about when you played with Raja Bell?

And Lebron missed the playoffs his first 2 seasons (04' and 05'), which is worse than 1-9.

But what if Lebron's Cavs had snuck in as the 8 seed on 04' and 05'?.. Obviously, they would've been swept by the champion Pistons and be 0-8, maybe 1-7

Ultimately, 6 rings > 3 rings plus 2 extra Finals appearances... Amirite?..

Cavs record when they missed the playoffs in 2004: 35-47

Cavs record when they missed the playoffs in 2005: 42-40

Bulls record when they made the playoffs in 86: 30-52

And Lebron missed the playoffs his first 2 seasons (04' and 05'), which is worse than 1-9.

But what if Lebron's Cavs had snuck in as the 8 seed on 04' and 05'?.. Obviously, they would've been swept by the champion Pistons and be 0-8, maybe 1-7

Ultimately, 6 rings > 3 rings plus 2 extra Finals appearances... Amirite?..

Stick with the six rings argument. It at least makes some sense. Crediting Jordan for making the playoffs with 30 wins and discrediting LeBron for missing the playoffs with 42 wins just makes you look desperate. There are plenty of good Jordan arguments without trying to convince people this means anything.

In case you are unaware, Jordan had a losing record his first three seasons. LeBron only had one losing record. It took him just two seasons to take a 17 win team to a winning record and by his third season he hit 50 wins. Jordan meanwhile still had a losing record in his third season. LeBron when he was the same age as rookie Jordan was leading his team to 50 wins.

In your world, Bill Russell is the GOAT (Some guy who averaged 15ppg against auto-mechanics and substitute teachers)...

Except MJ dominated the best players lebron ever played against:

1) SHAQ

Top Lebron moments:

2004-2006 were the only years of Lebron's career where Shaq had some prime left - during those years, Lebron finished behind Shaq in MVP voting (2004 and 2005), and lost the conference to him (2005 and 2006).. Lebron never dunked on him.

Top Jordan moments:

Jordan won MVP over prime Shaq in 1996 and 1998 and swept Shaq in 1996 ECF.. He also dunked on him, shown here.

2. KOBE:

Top Lebron moments:

- Lebron watched Kobe win more championships during the time that both were in their prime, and also watched Kobe save the team in the 2008 Olympics.

- He missed the much-anticipated, Kobe/Lebron matchup in 2009 and 2010 Finals, because his top-seeded team underachieved by losing to lower seeds in earlier rounds.

Top Jordan moments:

- MJ dunked on Kobe in their first ever possession vs. each other, shown here

- MJ showed his protege how it's done by hitting the game-winner in the first game of the 1997 Finals, after Kobe had airballed 4 straight game-winner attempts against the same team earlier in the playoffs.

- MJ passed the torch to his protoge in the 1998 all-star game by scoring on him at will (5 times in head-to-head possessions, shown here).

3. DUNCAN

Top Lebron moments:

- Lebron missed the infamous game-tying 3-pointer and needed Ray Allen to save him

Top Jordan moments:

- Jordan MADE his game-tying 3-pointer from the exact same spot during his first meeting with Duncan/Popovich in 1998 (the shot is shown here)... Then he dominated the OT, including 2 dunks over Duncan, shown here..

Later in that 1998 season, Jordan won the Finals against the team (Jazz) that destroyed Duncan's Spurs in WCF 2nd Round (Duncan/Robinson/Popovich's Spurs won 56 games in RS).

4. GARNETT:

Top Lebron moments:

- Lebron got his shit pushed in during 2008 and 2010 ECSF

Top Jordan moments:

- Jordan schooled Garnett in the 1998 all-star game (shown here) and during the regular season (shown here, here and here).

- The only time where MJ and Garnett were matched up defensively for an entire game was during a 2002 contest - both were matched up at SF, and 38-year old Jordan scored 35 on Garnett in every way imagineable, including various blow-by dunks and layups, shown here.

5. SHAWN MARION:

Top Lebron moments:

- Lebron got locked down by OLD Shawn Marion during the 2011 Finals, which was one of the greatest chokes ever by a star in the Finals.

Top Jordan moments:

- 38-year old Jordan hit the game-winner in PRIME Shawn Marion's face during a contest in 2002 (shown here), and then destroyed him for 41 points in another contest (shown here).

Ur clinging to the ONE time he beat the Warriors when the rest of the time he gets destroyed?.. Anyone will win if they get enough tries, but lebron mostly loses to the warriors, spurs and mavs in the Finals

Otoh, jordan beat 6 Finals teams (4 with 60+ wins), and better in-conference comp, so he beat better teams overall, despite lebron's one-off against the warriors

Btw, jordan was 0.4 rpg away from leading his team in all 5 categories for the ENTIRE 1997 PLAYOFFS, not just 1 series.. Jordan also undertook a much bigger 4th quarter burden:

Stick with the six rings argument. It at least makes some sense. Crediting Jordan for making the playoffs with 30 wins and discrediting LeBron for missing the playoffs with 42 wins just makes you look desperate. There are plenty of good Jordan arguments without trying to convince people this means anything.

In case you are unaware, Jordan had a losing record his first three seasons. LeBron only had one losing record. It took him just two seasons to take a 17 win team to a winning record and by his third season he hit 50 wins. Jordan meanwhile still had a losing record in his third season. LeBron when he was the same age as rookie Jordan was leading his team to 50 wins.

Again:

6 rings > 3 rings plus 2 extra conference finals wins....... Right?

Regarding your other points - jordan took 1 year longer to win 50 games because he was hurt 1 year and he didn't have an all-star center on his team like lebron did.. And his conference competition was much tougher

Jordan made the playoffs with only 30 wins because nearly all teams made the playoffs back then.. So 30-win teams could make it. Now if nearly all teams made the playoffs in 2004 and 2005, then lebron's cavs would've snuck in as 8 seed and been swept by the champion pistons - so lebron would've done the same as jordan's early career in the same situation