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Old 03-08-2018, 05:28 AM   #31
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Default Re: Lebron isn't worthy of 6/6 argument

Or you could simply argue that Lebron has shit the bed in nearly every Finals one offense and/or defense:

2007: 22 ppg on 36%.. Compare to 23-yr old MJ's 44 pgg on 51% vs 86' celtics' #1 defense
2011: arguably worst choke in sports history
2013: Not dominant.. 17, 18, 17 pts in first 3 games so he needed luck; might actually be 2/8 bum
2014: achieved weak ppg, horrible teamwork, horrible leadership, and horrible defense.. Quit
2015: horrific defense, horrific offense (missed over 80% of jumpshots, got locked down by 6'6 210 pounder)
2017: horrible defense, only 33 ppg despite highest drtg Finals ever and very high pace


And in most cases, his teams had poor teamwork that they offset with big 3 suoerteam talent.. But the lack of teamwork prevented them from being the favored Finals juggernaut, instead rendered them perpetual underdogs
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Old 03-08-2018, 05:59 AM   #32
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LeBron beat a 73 win team which tops anything MJ ever accomplished.
MJ didn't need 12 rings to surpass Russell so why does LeBron need 6/7 to pass MJ?
Also 6/10 > 6/6 so i guess Kareem is the GOAT
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Old 03-08-2018, 06:14 AM   #33
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Lebron's impact is misperceived and overstated.. In 2009, his 28/8/7 yieilded 66 wins, while jordan's 33/8/8 yielded only 47 wins in 1989.. The most obvious reason for the 19-win gap is that lebron had a better cast to fill that gap.. And also that his competion was weaker..
Again, ignoring the rest of your completely retarded post.

Is this the "logic" you're going with? Well then, MJ needed only 30/7/4 and 30/6/4 to win 72 and 69 games respectively. Going by your "logic", LeBron would've more games with those teams and won the titles easily, since he averaged 31/7/7 and only won 50?

You dumbass "logic" just proves that MJ was putting up empty stats, if anything. Retard.
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Old 03-08-2018, 07:24 AM   #34
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Old 03-08-2018, 07:56 AM   #35
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Again, ignoring the rest of your completely retarded post.

Is this the "logic" you're going with? Well then, MJ needed only 30/7/4 and 30/6/4 to win 72 and 69 games respectively. Going by your "logic", LeBron would've more games with those teams and won the titles easily, since he averaged 31/7/7 and only won 50?

You dumbass "logic" just proves that MJ was putting up empty stats, if anything. Retard.
You made my point

In 2009, Lebron's lesser stats won more games than 89 jordan due to his superior cast.

Similarly, 1996 jordan's lesser stats won more games than 07' lebron, due to his superior cast

The logic is sound, and intuitive
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Old 03-08-2018, 08:01 AM   #36
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You made my point

In 2009, Lebron's lesser stats won more games than 89 jordan due to his superior cast.

Similarly, 1996 jordan's lesser stats won more games than 07' lebron, due to his superior cast

The logic is sound, and intuitive
So, '06 LeBron with his superior stats would've won more games than '96 Jordan.

That pretty much proves it. Ordan always had superior casts while facing shit teams. Hence, LeBron is the GOAT.
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Old 03-08-2018, 08:21 AM   #37
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So, '06 LeBron with his superior stats would've won more games than '96 Jordan.

That pretty much proves it. Ordan always had superior casts while facing shit teams. Hence, LeBron is the GOAT.
In 1996, the bulls needed 30 ppg from the wing spot

So lebron only fulfills that once or twice in his career, plus he's never carried such a massive the 4th quarter burden or scored many of his points off-ball as the triangle requires

So no..

Let me know when he 3-peats while his 2nd option averages 17 ppg on 40.8% (pippen in 96-98'Finals).. .. Lebron cant carry that burden - he doesnt have the required scoring skill or winning mentality to undertake such a burden. - he'd cry about needing more help
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Old 03-08-2018, 08:29 AM   #38
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In 1996, the bulls needed 30 ppg from the wing spot..

So lebron only fulfills that once or twice in his career, plus he's never carried such a massive the 4th quarter burden or scored many of his points off-ball as the triangle requires

So no
So, LeBron gets you 31 PPG and 7 APG on better efficiency the Jordan? Yep. Easy 75+ wins in '96 and 72+ wins in '97.

Going by your "logic", if you replace Jordan with LeBron, LeBron is the unanimous and undisputed GOAT.

We can have the discussion about MJ being the GOAT once he leads both teams in PPG, APG, RPG, SPG, and BPG and averages a 30 point triple double in the Finals.
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Old 03-08-2018, 08:45 AM   #39
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Why does op blatantly ignore 2016?
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Old 03-08-2018, 09:04 AM   #40
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So, LeBron gets you 31 PPG and 7 APG on better efficiency the Jordan? Yep. Easy 75+ wins in '96 and 72+ wins in '97.

Going by your "logic", if you replace Jordan with LeBron, LeBron is the unanimous and undisputed GOAT.

We can have the discussion about MJ being the GOAT once he leads both teams in PPG, APG, RPG, SPG, and BPG and averages a 30 point triple double in the Finals.
Jordan would sweep any team in history if his #2 gave him 30 ppg like kyrie did for lebron..

Heck, Jordan 3-peated while his #2 averaged 17 ppg on 40.8% during the 96-98' playoffs.. So what would he do with 30 ppg?

Also jordan averaged 36/7/8 in 91-93 Finals.. His 6 extra ppg is easily more valuable and impressive than a couple defensive rebounds and assists.. Obviously lebron would be far more dominant if he averaged 6 more ppg against the best teams
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Jordan would sweep any team in history if his #2 gave him 30 ppg like kyrie did for lebron..

Heck, Jordan 3-peated while his #2 averaged 17 ppg on 40.8% during the 96-98' playoffs.. So what would he do with 30 ppg?

Also jordan averaged 36/7/8 in 91-93 Finals.. His 6 extra ppg is easily more valuable and impressive than a couple defensive rebounds and assists.. Obviously lebron would be far more dominant if he averaged 6 more ppg against the best teams
You do realize scoring isn't everything and only a fraction of what makes a player great
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Old 03-08-2018, 09:22 AM   #42
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You do realize scoring isn't everything and only a fraction of what makes a player great
Its the biggest fraction

A team can win with less rebs or assists, but never less points.. So jordan has a big advantage in the biggest category.. Lebron has smaller edges in the less imoortant, more replaceable categories

Again, lebron would be a far more dominant player if he was capable of averaging 6 more ppg.. Against the very best teams

And then there's the ball-domination that hurts teamwork and makes his teams worse than jordan's..
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Old 03-08-2018, 09:30 AM   #43
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Jordan would sweep any team in history if his #2 gave him 30 ppg like kyrie did for lebron..
Jordan would get SWEPT by the '17 Warriors in record fashion, because he's not capable of averaging a 30 point triple double in the Finals and averaging an efficiency of 64% TS. That too against the DPOY, KD, and Iggy.

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Heck, Jordan 3-peated while his #2 averaged 17 ppg on 40.8% during the 96-98' playoffs.. So what would he do with 30 ppg?
Scottie averaged 18 PPG, dumbass. Also, he was the best defender on the team. Not just that, MJ also had Rodman, Harper, Kukoc, and the GOAT coach.


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Also jordan averaged 36/7/8 in 91-93 Finals.. His 6 extra ppg is easily more valuable and impressive than a couple defensive rebounds and assists.. Obviously lebron would be far more dominant if he averaged 6 more ppg against the best teams
LeBron is dropping these numbers against ELITE defenders and DPOY's. Not midget cream puffs and shitty defenders.

Again, going back to your dog shit "logic", replace MJ's inferior stats with LeBron's superior stats in '96 and '97, LeBron wins 75+ in '96 and 72+ in '97.
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Old 03-08-2018, 09:47 AM   #44
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2007: 22 ppg on 36%.. Compare to 23-yr old MJ's 44 pgg on 51% vs 86' celtics' #1 defense
2011: arguably worst choke in sports history
2013: Not dominant.. 17, 18, 17 pts in first 3 games so he needed luck; might actually be 2/8 bum
2014: achieved weak ppg, horrible teamwork, horrible leadership, and horrible defense.. Quit
2015: horrific defense, horrific offense (missed over 80% of jumpshots, got locked down by 6'6 210 pounder)
2016: Leads in 5 categories against an injured GSW team. A feat that many great players if placed in his shoes could accomplish in such a circumstance.
2017: horrible defense, only 33 ppg despite highest drtg Finals ever and very high pace


Imagine a life where Lebron has to be your hero because you never witnessed real GOAT level MJ ball.
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Old 03-08-2018, 09:49 AM   #45
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Imagine a life where Lebron has to be your hero because you never witnessed real GOAT level MJ ball.
Yep. 5-19 in a close Game 6 in the Finals, while getting shut down by a 6 foot PG.
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