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Old 03-07-2018, 07:28 AM   #1
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Default U.S. Special Forces get ambushed in Niger. video*.

video released yesterday. warning, graphic.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_c...&v=MQmtn3IlDqE


narrative of what seemed to happen.
https://www.liveleak.com/view?t=b0f_1518955831
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Old 03-07-2018, 08:01 AM   #2
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Default Re: U.S. Special Forces get ambushed in Niger. video*.

You couldn't pay me enough money to fight with Africans.

It was bad enough trying to train them in controlled drills.
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Old 03-07-2018, 08:32 AM   #3
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Default Re: U.S. Special Forces get ambushed in Niger. video*.

So they ambushed 7 soldiers with overwhelming numbers and even with the element of surprise the US soldiers managed to kill 21 of them?
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Default Re: U.S. Special Forces get ambushed in Niger. video*.

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So they ambushed 7 soldiers with overwhelming numbers and even with the element of surprise the US soldiers managed to kill 21 of them?

Im not sure if that has been confirmed.
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Old 03-07-2018, 09:03 AM   #5
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Default Re: U.S. Special Forces get ambushed in Niger. video*.

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Im not sure if that has been confirmed.

So the Pentagon says, if you want to believe them.

My guess is, there was probably surveillance via drone for days on the group afterwards. It wouldn't be hard to count the bodies.
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Old 03-07-2018, 12:44 PM   #6
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Default Re: U.S. Special Forces get ambushed in Niger. video*.

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You couldn't pay me enough money to fight with Africans.

It was bad enough trying to train them in controlled drills.
This is coming from someone who's completely ignorant about military tactics, so bear with me. Could the black SUV not have peeled out of there once they hit the red smoke? Also, do special forced venture out often in unarmored vehicles and no close air support?
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Old 03-07-2018, 01:08 PM   #7
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Default Re: U.S. Special Forces get ambushed in Niger. video*.

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This is coming from someone who's completely ignorant about military tactics, so bear with me. Could the black SUV not have peeled out of there once they hit the red smoke?

Maybe. The white vehicle disappeared, so maybe that vehicle had taken casualties and peeling out and running off would have meant leaving behind bodies. Or, maybe they were continuing to engage because they thought CAS was on the way. Or, maybe the truck had actually taken rounds and, while it could be moved a short distance, it was practically worthless trying to get away. That much is my guess, because the last two guys ditched the truck and tried to run on foot.

Priority #1 during an ambush is to get out of the kill zone, everybody who was trained in convoy ops have been taught that since day 1, so if they didn't, there was probably a pretty good reason for it.


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Also, do special forced venture out often in unarmored vehicles and no close air support?

Yes, and I'm not sure.

When I was in Afghanistan, every now and then a SF group would tag along with our convoys (which were usually 100+ armored trucks or more) to get to the shitty areas we were operating in, and then they'd drive off on their own. Even when IEDs were prevalent, I still saw some of them driving around in old Toyota pickups or Landcruisers.

Why they had no CAS, I'm not sure. Seems awfully wasteful to send out some of the most highly trained men on the planet, only for them to be taken out by random militias because CAS wasn't available. I read somewhere that it took CAS almost two hours to get there. For those who don't know, two hours is not a long time in terms of getting into a gun fight (we had some last 10-12 hours), but that's entirely too long when a unit is completely ****ed.

Someone dropped the ball on that one.

On a side note, notice I said:

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You couldn't pay me enough money to fight with Africans.

After watching the video, it's obvious that the Africans they were assigned to train simply ran off at the first sound of an engagement. They're completely worthless. I'm not sure which group makes worse soldiers: Africans or Middle Easterners.

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