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Old 06-12-2007, 05:44 PM   #1
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Default Jordan-Stopper aka Gerald Wilkins

You know in 1992 Cavs acquired Wilkins to stop Jordan. He was self-proclaimed as the "Jordan Stopper". However, when they meet in the playoffs in 1993, Jordan took this as a challenge and burned him badly.

Anyone remember how this Jordan-Stopper thing started? And was he effective other than that playoff series?
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Old 06-12-2007, 06:13 PM   #2
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You know in 1992 Cavs acquired Wilkins to stop Jordan. He was self-proclaimed as the "Jordan Stopper". However, when they meet in the playoffs in 1993, Jordan took this as a challenge and burned him badly.

Anyone remember how this Jordan-Stopper thing started? And was he effective other than that playoff series?

Let me explain to you something about Cleveland. They are the biggest homers on the planet. You can call it loyalty, that's fine. But sometimes they are just completely unrealistic.

Let me give you some examples...

Believing Charlie Frye was an ok starting QB last year (going into last season I mean, not necessarily after the season).

Believing Corey Snyder was a good baseball player.

So, in the history of the Cavs, there have been several players that have been deemed "one of the best defenders in the game", in MOST cases, because they couldn't score to save their asses.

Gerald Wilkins was supposedly a defensive stopper. Ira Newble. Bobby Phils. Cedric Henderson.

All guys that are just quite frankly good players, not great, not even starting quality in some cases so they're explained away as "defenders".

Now Wilkins probably really was a good defender in his prime. He also played with the Knicks at one point.

But I've never heard anybody but local announcers call Newble a defensive nightmare matchup, nor Phills etc..

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Old 06-12-2007, 07:54 PM   #3
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Default Re: Jordan-Stopper aka Gerald Wilkins

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Let me explain to you something about Cleveland. They are the biggest homers on the planet. You can call it loyalty, that's fine. But sometimes they are just completely unrealistic.

Let me give you some examples...

Believing Charlie Frye was an ok starting QB last year (going into last season I mean, not necessarily after the season).

Believing Corey Snyder was a good baseball player.

So, in the history of the Cavs, there have been several players that have been deemed "one of the best defenders in the game", in MOST cases, because they couldn't score to save their asses.

Gerald Wilkins was supposedly a defensive stopper. Ira Newble. Bobby Phils. Cedric Henderson.

All guys that are just quite frankly good players, not great, not even starting quality in some cases so they're explained away as "defenders".

Now Wilkins probably really was a good defender in his prime. He also played with the Knicks at one point.

But I've never heard anybody but local announcers call Newble a defensive nightmare matchup, nor Phills etc..

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Well, Phills did make defensive second team one year, and was a really hard-nosed defender (built like a tank, too). Still, that's an interesting perspective.

I have no idea where Wilkins got off dubbing himself the "Jordan Stopper," considering that Joran abused him many times over the years, including the '89 playoffs vs. NY, where he averaged 36 pts/9.5 reb/8.4 ast/3 stl/53% FG, and several other 40+ and 50+ games over the late 80's and early 90's. Dude was a legend in his own mind. He was a very good defender, though (quick feet and strong), but I always felt he got away with a lot of holding when he was on NY and Cleveland and played Jordan.
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Old 06-12-2007, 08:23 PM   #4
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What did MJ give him? Like 55 one game? Something like that.
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Old 06-12-2007, 08:25 PM   #5
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Also see: Ruben Patterson. Funny stuff.
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Old 06-12-2007, 08:34 PM   #6
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What did MJ give him? Like 55 one game? Something like that.

Here are Jordan's bigger games vs. Wilkins from the '87-'91 seasons:

50 points, 40, 40, 47, 42, and 49. None of these games were on sub-51% shooting. In addition, like I said, he averaged 35.9 pts/9.5 reb/8.4 ast/3+ stl/52% FG against Wilkins and the Knicks in the '89 playoffs over 6 games.

Unless he dubbed himself "the Jordan Stopper" when he faced MJ in the '92 playoffs when he was on NY, when Jordan had a couple of relatively poor shooting games with Starks/Wilkins tag-teaming him along with NY's constant traps, holds, and hacks. Jordan still averaged something like 32/7/5/49% against them that year.

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Old 06-12-2007, 08:35 PM   #7
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Default Re: Jordan-Stopper aka Gerald Wilkins

Here is your self proclaim Kobe Stopper





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Old 06-12-2007, 10:01 PM   #9
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Default Re: Jordan-Stopper aka Gerald Wilkins

Gerald was a big component of the Knicks teams and it wans't for his offense. He did play relatively good defense but MJ was intent on torching NY no matter what.

GW was still a better defensive player and much more athletic than most of the 2/3's in the league now.
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Old 06-13-2007, 11:19 AM   #10
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Default Re: Jordan-Stopper aka Gerald Wilkins

Gerald was a very good defender. Physically strong and very athletic (participated in the slam dunk contest in 86 or 87). He really did not do much better against Jordan. I think when Cavs got him in the offseason the media created a hype, who knows maybe Wilkins himself believed in that hype for some time, too.

Anyways, here's an article after the first playoff game when Cavs and Bulls met.

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12 May 1993
Peoria Journal Star
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CHICAGO -- Time proved Craig Ehlo wasn't the Cavalier to stop Michael Jordan. Now Gerald Wilkins is losing his rep, too.

"They felt they had solved the problem, so to speak," Jordan said Tuesday night. "I wanted to show the problem wasn't solved."

Considering Jordan hit Cleveland with 43 points in Game 1 of the Eastern Conference semifinals, the problem may not even have been diagnosed.

Making 16 of 30 shots in 43 minutes, Jordan was no better and not much worse than usual as the Chicago Bulls won 91-84.

"The challenge in me is not to be figured out," Jordan said. Not to worry.

Magic Johnson once called the Cavs the team of the '90s, so before the decade got away Cleveland went straight for Jordan in the off- season.

Signed as a free agent after success against Jordan with the New York Knicks, Wilkins was just one of the guys Tuesday as the Cavs' sixth man.

One of the embarrassed guys, although he wasn't ready to say so. . "I could see in his eyes tonight he wasn't coming out to get assists . . ." Wilkins said.

The night Jordan concentrates on passing, of course, Magic and Larry Bird will realize they owe some of their accolades to his scoring average.

In fact, Jordan now is head and shoulders above the league, figuratively as well as literally.

His reponses to challenges seem even more focused than ever -- and more pointed, too.

"I felt the Jordan-Stopper had a tough game tonight," he said, playfully jabbing at Wilkins.

"He'll look at films and made adjustments, just as I look at films and make adjustments."

Of course, Jordan has been, is and will be adjusting from a position of strength.

Meanwhile, the Jordan- Stopper wasn't sure what all the fuss was about.

"The press is really trying to make it sound like Michael is the only one on this team we need to beat," Wilkins said. "That's just not the case.

"They tried to make it a Michael Jordan vs. Cleveland Show, but we almost stole one."

If Wilkins thought his matchup with Jordan was a creation of the media, Jordan seemed ready to credit the Cleveland front office.

"He is here for one reason, and that is to play defense on me," Jordan said.

"I look forward to the challenge at this point in my career. When I am at my best, it's tough for anyone to guard me."


and this is what Wilkins says 2 days after that game.

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WILKINS: I'M NO `JORDAN STOPPER'
BURT GRAEFF
14 May 1993
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(Copyright (c) The Plain Dealer 1993)

Gerald Wilkins says he wants to make one thing perfectly clear.

"I'm no fool," he said. "I never proclaimed myself to be the `Jordan Stopper.' I don't know where all this got started.'

Wilkins has been targeted by columnists and commentators around the country for allegedly stirring up Michael Jordan, then suffering the consequences.

The shots at Wilkins increased when Jordan scored 43 points off Wilkins and Craig Ehlo in Game 1.

"I'm getting a raw deal in this thing," said Wilkins. "All I've ever said is that I was brought here (Cleveland) to help defend him. There is no one who is going to stop the guy one-on-one. Hey, this is not me against him."
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Old 06-13-2007, 11:41 AM   #11
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Was a member of the 2 sets of brothers that the Magic had at one point. Who knows the other 3 guys?
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Old 06-13-2007, 12:23 PM   #12
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Default Re: Jordan-Stopper aka Gerald Wilkins

If I'm not mistaken, I believe that it was Gerald Wilkins whom Jordan hit the series clincher over completing the sweep against the Cavs in the 1993 playoffs.
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Old 06-13-2007, 12:32 PM   #13
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Default Re: Jordan-Stopper aka Gerald Wilkins

I remember those days. Poor G. Wilkins and Ehlo and Starks and Byron Russell.

Remember the classic " is it Byron or Bryon line" ?

I think Nick Anderson had a little period too and of course Reggie Miller with the infamous tiff between him and Jordan.
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Default Re: Jordan-Stopper aka Gerald Wilkins

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Also see: Ruben Patterson. Funny stuff.

Remember though, Ruben called himself the Kobe Stopper because they were fiercely competitive in practice. Ruben was always guarding Kobe, and it's something that they always joked around in practice about. It's gotten blown -way- out of proportion from there, helped along by the fact that Ruben is quite a prick everywhere he goes.

But it's a tad bit different than being a defensive specialist on another team and being called the Kobe Stopper.
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First, it's Ruben.

Second, you don't have the slightest idea what you're talking about, as usual. Hush, or we'll get your other accounts banned to.
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