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Old 06-13-2007, 02:58 PM   #1
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Default HOW CAN people compare SHAQ&DUNCAN and say Jordan>Russel????

i see there are a lot of young people here now.

How can people compare Shaq & Duncan? Shaq >>>>>>>>>>>>Duncan, tell me when Duncan dominated the NBA, check his average this year, his stats are not a superstars' stats. he's overrated, his teammates are goods, tony is a good player, and Manu is the MAN, for every team beated by Spurs, every player hates manu more than everybody! this guy is a good defender, flopper, and he always shows up when they need him (except last year against Dallas).

I hear someone said that if Duncan has more than 4 rings, then he will be > than Shaq, so that means that Russell >>>>>> JOrdan? Russell had 11 rings, almost twice than Jordan's, but people argued that Russel's stats are not great, but he averaged 20 pts and near 40 rebounds in the playoffs!!!!!

if you say that Duncan will be great than Shaq, so you must admit that Russel will >>>>>>> Jordan too.

Duncan should to win at least 8 rings, then we can compare him to Shaq.
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i see there are a lot of young people here now.

How can people compare Shaq & Duncan? Shaq >>>>>>>>>>>>Duncan, tell me when Duncan dominated the NBA, check his average this year, his stats are not a superstars' stats. he's overrated, his teammates are goods, tony is a good player, and Manu is the MAN, for every team beated by Spurs, every player hates manu more than everybody! this guy is a good defender, flopper, and he always shows up when they need him (except last year against Dallas).

I hear someone said that if Duncan has more than 4 rings, then he will be > than Shaq, so that means that Russell >>>>>> JOrdan? Russell had 11 rings, almost twice than Jordan's, but people argued that Russel's stats are not great, but he averaged 20 pts and near 40 rebounds in the playoffs!!!!!

if you say that Duncan will be great than Shaq, so you must admit that Russel will >>>>>>> Jordan too.

Duncan should to win at least 8 rings, then we can compare him to Shaq.
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Old 06-13-2007, 03:02 PM   #3
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I will never consider Duncan greater than Shaq, no matter how many rings he wins.

Shaq at his best was a lot better than Duncan at his best. Shaq was a true dominating force. Duncan was/still is a silent assassin and gets the job done but Shaq was flat out dominant.

IMO, Shaq will always be greater. Now, speaking of charisma and how they revolutionized the game and a huge edge goes to Shaq.

Yes, Duncan may achieve more but people should always remember Shaq as better because he simply was better. Easy as that. I don't give a rats ass about achivements, I know Shaq was a better player at his best and has many achievements too if that's what you care about the most.

Shaq is the answer for me.
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I will never consider Duncan greater than Shaq, no matter how many rings he wins.

Shaq at his best was a lot better than Duncan at his best. Shaq was a true dominating force. Duncan was/still is a silent assassin and gets the job done but Shaq was flat out dominant.

IMO, Shaq will always be greater. Now, speaking of charisma and how they revolutionized the game and a huge edge goes to Shaq.

Yes, Duncan may achieve more but people should always remember Shaq as better because he simply was better. Easy as that. I don't give a rats ass about achivements, I know Shaq was a better player at his best and has many achievements too if that's what you care about the most.

Shaq is the answer for me.

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Yeah yeah, laugh all you want. No need for you to have any conscience, anyway. What for?

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i see there are a lot of young people here now.

How can people compare Shaq & Duncan? Shaq >>>>>>>>>>>>Duncan, tell me when Duncan dominated the NBA, check his average this year, his stats are not a superstars' stats. he's overrated, his teammates are goods, tony is a good player, and Manu is the MAN, for every team beated by Spurs, every player hates manu more than everybody! this guy is a good defender, flopper, and he always shows up when they need him (except last year against Dallas).

I hear someone said that if Duncan has more than 4 rings, then he will be > than Shaq, so that means that Russell >>>>>> JOrdan? Russell had 11 rings, almost twice than Jordan's, but people argued that Russel's stats are not great, but he averaged 20 pts and near 40 rebounds in the playoffs!!!!!

if you say that Duncan will be great than Shaq, so you must admit that Russel will >>>>>>> Jordan too.

Duncan should to win at least 8 rings, then we can compare him to Shaq.

Russel is better than greater than Jordan, easily. Averaging 30ppg is easier than averaging 22rpg for the Career of Russel, and 16ppg. On top of that, its not close in regards to Titles.

Tim Duncan is easily greater than Shaq. Here are their career numbers.

Here are Tim Duncan and Shaq's career numbers and accomplishments

Lets take it to the scorecard as it stands right NOW:

titles: Shaq 4, Duncan 3
finals mvps: Shaq 3, duncan 3
season mvps: Shaq 1, Duncan 2
1st team all nba: Shaq 7, Duncan 9
1st team all defense: Shaq 0, Duncan 7 (Shaq only has 3 2nd team all defense!)
Shaq career: 25.9ppg, 11.6 rpg, 2.8apg, 2.8bpg
Duncan Career: 21.8 ppg, 11.9rpg, 3.2apg, 2.4bpg

Now lets discuss the obvious. Shaq has been in the league 5 more years than Duncan, but only has one more title, both even in finals mvps, Duncan with one more season mvp at 2-1. Here is where it gets shocking: Shaq has been in the league over 14+ years, but only 7 first team all nba elections? That a mere 50%! Also, Shaq has never, not even once been voted first team all defense- with only 3, count it 3 total 2ND TEAM all defense selections! Wow! He's a bigger defensive liability than Steve Nash! Even with all this "dominant" scoring, career wise he leads Duncan by only four points in career average! It is obvious that all you who swear by Shaq's dominance have been utterly duped!

Anyone please look at these numbers and prove Shaq is better than Duncan! According to their career numbers and stats, Duncan is already ahead of Shaq, and its not even close! One more title and finals mvp will simply be icing on the cake.

Here are a few additional points.
TD teammates: at best in a 15 and 5 David Robinson in 2003, Tony Parker (good but not great), Manu (inconsistent) Ginobli, Bruce Bowen (could there be more of an offfensive liability in the starting lineup no less), Malik Rose (!), and Stephen Jackson (sometimes clutch, most other times a saga of turnovers and bad shots, and older version of Robert Horry (clutch but very limited), and old Michael Finley (streaky but classy), and Brent Barry (even more streaky)

Shaq's Teammates: Kobe Bryant (wow, could you have a better "sidekick"?), Dwayne Wade (I guess you can!), Penny Hardaway (good enough to be the Lebron of the mid 90s), Derek Fisher (cluth shooter, his jumper took only 1.3 seconds in .4 of game time to win!), a very Spry Robert Horry (how can you have Kobe, Horry, and Fisher on one team? Too much clutchness), etc..

Advantage? Shaq by far. Kobe and Wade together are better than all TD teammates combined.

Coaching? Well, Phil Jackson has won 9 titles, Greg Pop (maybe) 4. However its still not that close. When Phil came to the Lakers, he already had 6 titles. When Pop became coach of the Spurs? He'd won 0 (zero), and hadn't won at the college ranks either.

So again, to sum it up, Shaq had so much more to work with than TD, and has done so much less. If TD wins his 4th (now up 3-0 in the finals), he will be ahead in every other career statistic, accomplishment comfortably at least; some categories he is so far ahead it is embarrassing (to Shaq), like first team all-defense (7-0).

Yes Bill Russel is greater than Jordan, and Tim Duncan is greater than Shaq. Satisfied?

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Russel is better than greater than Jordan, easily. Averaging 30ppg is easier than averaging 22rpg for the Career of Russel, and 16rpg. On top of that, its not close in regards to Titles.

Tim Duncan is easily greater than Shaq. Here are their career numbers.

Here are Tim Duncan and Shaq's career numbers and accomplishments

Lets take it to the scorecard as it stands right NOW:

titles: Shaq 4, Duncan 3
finals mvps: Shaq 3, duncan 3
season mvps: Shaq 1, Duncan 2
1st team all nba: Shaq 7, Duncan 9
1st team all defense: Shaq 0, Duncan 7 (Shaq only has 3 2nd team all defense!)
Shaq career: 25.9ppg, 11.6 rpg, 2.8apg, 2.8bpg
Duncan Career: 21.8 ppg, 11.9rpg, 3.2apg, 2.4bpg

Now lets discuss the obvious. Shaq has been in the league 5 more years than Duncan, but only has one more title, both even in finals mvps, Duncan with one more season mvp at 2-1. Here is where it gets shocking: Shaq has been in the league over 14+ years, but only 7 first team all nba elections? That a mere 50%! Also, Shaq has never, not even once been voted first team all defense- with only 3, count it 3 total 2ND TEAM all defense selections! Wow! He's a bigger defensive liability than Steve Nash! Even with all this "dominant" scoring, career wise he leads Duncan by only four points in career average! It is obvious that all you who swear by Shaq's dominance have been utterly duped!

Anyone please look at these numbers and prove Shaq is better than Duncan! According to their career numbers and stats, Duncan is already ahead of Shaq, and its not even close! One more title and finals mvp will simply be icing on the cake.

Here are a few additional points.
TD teammates: at best in a 15 and 5 David Robinson in 2003, Tony Parker (good but not great), Manu (inconsistent) Ginobli, Bruce Bowen (could there be more of an offfensive liability in the starting lineup no less), Malik Rose (!), and Stephen Jackson (sometimes clutch, most other times a saga of turnovers and bad shots, and older version of Robert Horry (clutch but very limited), and old Michael Finley (streaky but classy), and Brent Barry (even more streaky)

Shaq's Teammates: Kobe Bryant (wow, could you have a better "sidekick"?), Dwayne Wade (I guess you can!), Penny Hardaway (good enough to be the Lebron of the mid 90s), Derek Fisher (cluth shooter, his jumper took only 1.3 seconds in .4 of game time to win!), a very Spry Robert Horry (how can you have Kobe, Horry, and Fisher on one team? Too much clutchness), etc..

Advantage? Shaq by far. Kobe and Wade together are better than all TD teammates combined.

Coaching? Well, Phil Jackson has won 9 titles, Greg Pop (maybe) 4. However its still not that close. When Phil came to the Lakers, he already had 6 titles. When Pop became coach of the Spurs? He'd won 0 (zero), and hadn't won at the college ranks either.

So again, to sum it up, Shaq had so much more to work with than TD, and has done so much less. If TD wins his 4th (now up 3-0 in the finals), he will be ahead in every other career statistic, accomplishment comfortably at least; some categories he is so far ahead it is embarrassing (to Shaq), like first team all-defense (7-0).

Yes Bill Russel is greater than Jordan, and Tim Duncan is greater than Shaq. Satisfied?


hey, brad, don't get this guy started on shaq and duncan arguments, he will kill you
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Russel is better than greater than Jordan, easily. Averaging 30ppg is easier than averaging 22rpg for the Career of Russel, and 16rpg. On top of that, its not close in regards to Titles.

Tim Duncan is easily greater than Shaq. Here are their career numbers.

Here are Tim Duncan and Shaq's career numbers and accomplishments

Lets take it to the scorecard as it stands right NOW:

titles: Shaq 4, Duncan 3
finals mvps: Shaq 3, duncan 3
season mvps: Shaq 1, Duncan 2
1st team all nba: Shaq 7, Duncan 9
1st team all defense: Shaq 0, Duncan 7 (Shaq only has 3 2nd team all defense!)
Shaq career: 25.9ppg, 11.6 rpg, 2.8apg, 2.8bpg
Duncan Career: 21.8 ppg, 11.9rpg, 3.2apg, 2.4bpg

Now lets discuss the obvious. Shaq has been in the league 5 more years than Duncan, but only has one more title, both even in finals mvps, Duncan with one more season mvp at 2-1. Here is where it gets shocking: Shaq has been in the league over 14+ years, but only 7 first team all nba elections? That a mere 50%! Also, Shaq has never, not even once been voted first team all defense- with only 3, count it 3 total 2ND TEAM all defense selections! Wow! He's a bigger defensive liability than Steve Nash! Even with all this "dominant" scoring, career wise he leads Duncan by only four points in career average! It is obvious that all you who swear by Shaq's dominance have been utterly duped!

Anyone please look at these numbers and prove Shaq is better than Duncan! According to their career numbers and stats, Duncan is already ahead of Shaq, and its not even close! One more title and finals mvp will simply be icing on the cake.

Here are a few additional points.
TD teammates: at best in a 15 and 5 David Robinson in 2003, Tony Parker (good but not great), Manu (inconsistent) Ginobli, Bruce Bowen (could there be more of an offfensive liability in the starting lineup no less), Malik Rose (!), and Stephen Jackson (sometimes clutch, most other times a saga of turnovers and bad shots, and older version of Robert Horry (clutch but very limited), and old Michael Finley (streaky but classy), and Brent Barry (even more streaky)

Shaq's Teammates: Kobe Bryant (wow, could you have a better "sidekick"?), Dwayne Wade (I guess you can!), Penny Hardaway (good enough to be the Lebron of the mid 90s), Derek Fisher (cluth shooter, his jumper took only 1.3 seconds in .4 of game time to win!), a very Spry Robert Horry (how can you have Kobe, Horry, and Fisher on one team? Too much clutchness), etc..

Advantage? Shaq by far. Kobe and Wade together are better than all TD teammates combined.

Coaching? Well, Phil Jackson has won 9 titles, Greg Pop (maybe) 4. However its still not that close. When Phil came to the Lakers, he already had 6 titles. When Pop became coach of the Spurs? He'd won 0 (zero), and hadn't won at the college ranks either.

So again, to sum it up, Shaq had so much more to work with than TD, and has done so much less. If TD wins his 4th (now up 3-0 in the finals), he will be ahead in every other career statistic, accomplishment comfortably at least; some categories he is so far ahead it is embarrassing (to Shaq), like first team all-defense (7-0).

Yes Bill Russel is greater than Jordan, and Tim Duncan is greater than Shaq. Satisfied?

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LOL, when i first read this title thread, i knew without a doubt that my boy poeticism would come in here and throw down his novel.
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