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Old 06-15-2007, 10:17 AM   #1
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Default Wisdom Teeth: More proof of evolution?

So, I got my wisdom teeth out yesterday and I wondered to myself, "Why are these here if I never have to use them?" And I realized that they were probably there in case people got false teeth back in the day and those teeth would replace the false teeth.

It makes sense and now that we have dentists, orthodontists, toothepaste, floss, and mouthwash to take care of our teeth, we dont get false teeth and dont need our wisdom teeth. They turn vestigial.

I think it is another blatant/logical case for evolution and how our body adapts.

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Old 06-15-2007, 12:52 PM   #2
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So, I got my wisdom teeth out yesterday and I wondered to myself, "Why are these here if I never have to use them?"
Some people do use them, more than you would imagine.

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And I realized that they were probably there in case people got false teeth back in the day and those teeth would replace the false teeth.
How would having wisdom teeth have anything to do with fake teeth aka dentures?

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It makes sense and now that we have dentists, orthodontists, toothepaste, floss, and mouthwash to take care of our teeth, we dont get false teeth and dont need our wisdom teeth.
Dentists: All around mouth/teeth specialist. Mostly do root canals and cavities.
Toothpaste: Clean bacteria from teeth
Floss: Clean bacteria in between teeth
Mouthwash: Clean bacteria in mouth

Those things don't have much to do with evolution or wisdom teeth, just cleaning and maintenance.
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Old 06-15-2007, 12:54 PM   #3
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I think hawkers still a lil messed up from the pain killers.
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Old 06-15-2007, 01:04 PM   #4
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I think hawkers still a lil messed up from the pain killers.
I think so too.
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Old 06-15-2007, 01:06 PM   #5
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Some people do use them, more than you would imagine.


How would having wisdom teeth have anything to do with fake teeth aka dentures?


Dentists: All around mouth/teeth specialist. Mostly do root canals and cavities.
Toothpaste: Clean bacteria from teeth
Floss: Clean bacteria in between teeth
Mouthwash: Clean bacteria in mouth

Those things don't have much to do with evolution or wisdom teeth, just cleaning and maintenance.

Yes, but think about it. All that cleaning and maintenance helps our teeth from not rotting therefore not needing wisdom teeth to replace them.

And then they become useless. It's an adaptation.

Evolution is about adapting to society and new things.

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Yo How'd it go? Did it hurt?
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Old 06-15-2007, 01:09 PM   #7
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Yes, but think about it. All that cleaning and maintenance helps our teeth from not rotting therefore not needing wisdom teeth to replace them.

And then they become useless. It's an adaptation.
Wisdom teeth don't replace anything! They are at the back of your mouth, the only reason they are replaced is that some people have shorter jaw's than others and the wisdom teeth cause crowding. Most dentists just do it as a precaution cause they want your money, you might not of needed them to be taken out
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Yo How'd it go? Did it hurt?

Couldnt feel a thing. I was out the whole entire time. It hurts a little bit afterwards. It's hurting now but not a whole lot because im taking painkillers.
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Wisdom teeth don't replace anything! They are at the back of your mouth, the only reason they are replaced is that some people have shorter jaw's than others and the wisdom teeth cause crowding. Most dentists just do it as a precaution cause they want your money, you might not of needed them to be taken out

No, I did because they were impacted. They were coming in sideways and hitting my teeth. I saw the x-rays.

They dont replace anything anymore b/c we have dentists, toothepaste to take care of our teeth. Therefore they dont need to be replaced.

The surgeon even mentioned to me that wisdom teeth were used in the old days to replace false teeth.
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No, I did because they were impacted. They were coming in sideways and hitting my teeth. I saw the x-rays.

They dont replace anything anymore b/c we have dentists, toothepaste to take care of our teeth. Therefore they dont need to be replaced.

The surgeon even mentioned to me that wisdom teeth were used in the old days to replace false teeth.
Explain to me how that works? They take out teeth from the back of your mouth and put them towards the front?
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Wisdom teeth don't "replace" other teeth
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Old 06-15-2007, 01:25 PM   #12
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Yes, but think about it. All that cleaning and maintenance helps our teeth from not rotting therefore not needing wisdom teeth to replace them.

And then they become useless. It's an adaptation.

Evolution is about adapting to society and new things.
first, dont use the term false teeth. second, evolution isnt about adapting to anything. it is differential reproductive success based upon an external selecting agent. In this case you are suggesting that wisdom teeth (if present in a part of the population) would allow those individuals to reproduce more (for example, the extra teeth allowed them to eat after they lost their teeth to disease, etc- in turn allowing them to live longer and potentially have more children). Over time these extra toothed individuals would come to be a larger part of the wholoe population (potentially the whole population). That would be evolution. Vestigial organs, etc. arent evolution. if they have no impact on reproductive success (which includes predator evasion, food procurement as well as ****ing), they will not be selected for or against.

again, interesting idea, but not really evolution (not to say social variables cannot be involved in biological evolution). Also, humans have a very generalized dentition (not specialized like horses or cats). this suggests a more archaic trait. Also the 2123 pattern (2 incisors, 1 canine, 2 premolars, and 3 molars [including your wisdom teeth] on each side) is common in all great apes (gorillas, chimps, bonobos, humans, and orangutan) and old world monkeys.
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Wisdom teeth don't "replace" other teeth
actually yes, they push your other teeth forward as the errupt. I.e. replacing them. in most Hunter-Gatherer groups tooth loss is not very bad (much worse among farmers) and the teeth lost tend to be cheeck teeth (molars and premolars). so yeah, basically the wisdom teeth erupting would provide a new grinding surface as your other teeth were worn down or decayed away.
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Explain to me how that works? They take out teeth from the back of your mouth and put them towards the front?
just because they are in the back of your mouth doesnt mean you dont use them. Generally the grinding teeth are what gets worn and damaged, so its anew grinding surface. clearly hawker is talking out his ass, but it does have some small amount of merit.
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So, I got my wisdom teeth out yesterday and I wondered to myself, "Why are these here if I never have to use them?"
heres the difference between wisdom teetha nd a true vestigial organ like the appendix. The appendix does nothing, cannot do anything regardless of wether we leave it in or remove it. If you let your wisdom teeth erupt, you would use them (they still serve a useful purpose). So its really a social reason behind why we remove them (people find squished up grills unattractive in our society). is that clear? Its like if we only gave birth through C-section. The birth canal is still potentially useable, we have just decided (culutrally) not to use it.
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