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Old 06-15-2007, 12:57 PM   #1
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Cool LEastern Conference or ?

We always here how weak the East is in comparison to the west. lets look at a sub-segement of this arguement. What teams have won the title since the last bulls title? WE have 4 spurs titles, 3peat lakers and 2 EC teams. Clearly that shaq/kobe team was something special (cmon a 3 peat!) and The Timmy D led spurs are either a dynasty or close to it.


So is the East really that much weaker than the west (talking Pistons/Bulls v Suns/MAvs), or have there been two dominant teams out west that have set the upper mark for the league over the last ~decade? The only teams to win titles besides these two teams (which will go down as two of the greatest teams ever) are two BEastern Conference teams.

If the west is so much better, where are the other western teams' rings?
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Old 06-15-2007, 01:12 PM   #2
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Suns, Mavericks, Jazz can all thoroughly beat up the East teams in a 7 game series


Suns vs Pistons:

Suns win

Mavericks vs Pistons:

Mavericks win

Jazz vs Pistons

Jazz win


throw regular season out the window, I am talking about a 7 game series.


if the Pistons sucuumb this bad, then think about the Bulls, Nets, and the rest of the garbage squads.
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Old 06-15-2007, 01:35 PM   #3
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The east really is that bad.

The Lakers imploded to give the Pistons a title. Lakers should have won and you have to think that Minny or SAS at the very least would have won the title that year.

Heat have a genuine superstar and Shaq on his last wheels. The problem is that Shaq was the major reason they got where they did and he is as good as done. Flash in a pan type team. Spurs and Mavs have been great for a long time now. Suns, Jazz, Houston and Denver arent going anywhere for a couple of years still.

East really is that bad.
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Old 06-15-2007, 01:35 PM   #4
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If the west is so much better, where are the other western teams' rings?

Can you still not see that the Spurs and Lakers are & were THAT good.

Get over it. The imbalance IS there. It happened in football, the NFC was damn dominant with all those 9'ers and Cowboys teams, and it shifted back to the AFC now, didn't it?

The American League is far, far ahead of the National League in Baseball.

It's just the way it is. It'll swing back. Just not for about 15 years or so, thanks to Kevin Durant, Greg Oden, Deron Williams, and Chris Paul.
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Old 06-15-2007, 01:37 PM   #5
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Suns, Mavericks, Jazz can all thoroughly beat up the East teams in a 7 game series

based upon? I will agree the way the pistons played againt the cavs anybody (even the bobcats) woulda took a 7 game series from them. But not the series they played against chicago. Face it, the pistons thought they had already beaten the cavs (despite barely winning the first 2) and just fell to pieces due to lack of mental discipline. Chancy was daydreaming bringing the ball up the court.

the cavs were probably the worst of the big 4 (miami, bulls pistons) to face the spurs. they are a really young core (bron, pavlov'sb!tch,gibson, gooden) with a weak offensive scheme and a bunch of roleplayers (marshall, snow, jones, sideshow). Really, if the bulls dont let the 2 seed slip away, we are seeing either the bulls, heat or pistons playing a game 5 on sunday.

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Old 06-15-2007, 01:38 PM   #6
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based upon? I will agree the way the pistons played againt the cavs anybody (even the bobcats) woulda took a 7 game series from them. But not the series they played against chicago. Face it, the pistons thought they had already beaten the cavs (despite barely winning the first 2) and just fell to pieces due to lack of mental discipline. Chancy was daydreaming bringing the ball up the court.

Based upon the fact that they are just better teams.

What, you can't see that?
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Suns, Mavericks, Jazz can all thoroughly beat up the East teams in a 7 game series


Suns vs Pistons:

Suns win


Mavericks vs Pistons:

Mavericks win

Jazz vs Pistons

Jazz win


throw regular season out the window, I am talking about a 7 game series.


if the Pistons sucuumb this bad, then think about the Bulls, Nets, and the rest of the garbage squads.

No way..
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Old 06-15-2007, 01:42 PM   #8
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No way..

Explain how the Suns would lose to the Pistons in a 7 game series when the CAVS just beat them. (Pistons had a chance, you aren't that good if you lose to the Cavs).
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Based upon the fact that they are just better teams.

What, you can't see that?
no, no I can't. I love this jazz squad, but they are not a better team than the pistons. Ill give you williams=chancy and booz>sheed but the 2 and 3? Jazz are solid, but they are 2 players away from being a top tier team.


Suns? they wont win a 7 game series against any good defensive team as long as they play the style they do.

Mavs, probably better.
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Old 06-15-2007, 01:45 PM   #10
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Explain how the Suns would lose to the Pistons in a 7 game series when the CAVS just beat them. (Pistons had a chance, you aren't that good if you lose to the Cavs).
it doesnt work like that. Do the cavs play remotely similar to the suns? does the cavs beating them have to do with the suns? Did the suns beat the cavs in the finals?
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it doesnt work like that. Do the cavs play remotely similar to the suns? does the cavs beating them have to do with the suns? Did the suns beat the cavs in the finals?

Yeah, but the Cavs are BAD. So you losing to that team, regardless of style of play, is just terrible. ABSOLUTELY terrible.
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Old 06-15-2007, 01:55 PM   #12
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Let us not forget that while the Shaq/Kobe Lakers were a championship caliber squad, how much of their success was credited to them thanks to the gift-wrapping of David Stern and his army of zebras?

Let us not also forget that if you put good WC teams into the EC (such as Houston, Utah or even Golden State) they'd dominate the EC just like the Pistons have.

It doesn't take a genius to see the East is just behind, have been and will continue to be for a good while.

It's like comparing the AFC to the NFC.
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Old 06-15-2007, 02:00 PM   #13
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no, no I can't. I love this jazz squad, but they are not a better team than the pistons. Ill give you williams=chancy and booz>sheed but the 2 and 3? Jazz are solid, but they are 2 players away from being a top tier team.


Suns? they wont win a 7 game series against any good defensive team as long as they play the style they do.

Mavs, probably better.

As for the Jazz, you have to throw in Okur > Webber (now, regardless of sh**ty playoff performance) and Sloan >>>>>>>>> Saunders. Not to mention Deron > Billups. There is no equality in them, especially with the way Williams played in the playoffs compared to Billups. I'm not talking numbers, either. I'm talking about at least making a damn attempt, wanting to freaking win the game. As you said, Billups was daydreaming coming down the court, Williams had to try and make up for the complete absence of our 3rd leading scorer (and All-Star) Memo Okur. Factor in AK, and it was Williams on the floor with sidekick Boozer, along with Fisher (struggling), AK (offensive liability), and Okur (completely terrible). 2 on 5 vs. the Spurs = 4-1.

And as I remember, we've won a big majority of our meetings with the Pistons in the last few seasons. Not that it can be weighed in that much, since the Cavs won 2 vs. the Spurs this year . But I don't think the Pistons are better than the Jazz, still.

I'm sorry, but the Spurs' D >>>>>>>>> the Pistons' D. I realize the Pistons' numbers during the year (very, very good), but the Spurs would never give up a Game 5 like Detroit did, ESPECIALLY not in the playoffs. So saying the Suns would lose to Detroit because they're a defensive team means nothing, because the Cavs outscored them and they have one of the worst offensive coaches in the league.

And the Mavs are better, you're right.
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Old 06-15-2007, 02:04 PM   #14
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Let us not also forget that if you put good WC teams into the EC (such as Houston, Utah or even Golden State) they'd dominate the EC just like the Pistons have.
First, I will admit I mostly made this thread to see what kind of reaction Id get. But when we look back at this era 4 decades from now we are going to see 7 championships by two dynasties and 2 from the EC. so much for the rest of the vaunted western conference.


and Wiz, this is the first year Utah or GS have been any good at all. There is really no foundation for your statement. and frankly GS is not a good team. 14-16 against the east this year (but they werent healthy adn they had to gel blah blah blah)
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As for the Jazz, you have to throw in Okur > Webber
Williams had to try and make up for the complete absence of our 3rd leading scorer (and All-Star) Memo Okur.

and Okur (completely terrible). 2 on 5 vs. the Spurs = 4-1.

As you said, Billups was daydreaming coming down the court,


So saying the Suns would lose to Detroit because they're a defensive team means nothing, because the Cavs outscored them and they have one of the worst offensive coaches in the league.


ok, so okur is both terrible and better than chris webber.


Look, you cannot judge how they would do in the playoffs on their worst series in 5 years. Clearly there was something wrong with them. You have to look at their playoff performance as a whole (including against a bulls team that is much better IMO than the cavs).

Clearly the spurs are better defensively (it helps that bowen gets away with bloody murder). that being said, if we have dice (our primary defender along with sheed) in the game rather than a 2nd year player, bron doesnt do that against us either (he would still get his retarded perimeter shots to drop, but not the lanes to the basket).

sure the cavs are terrible offensively (that is why it took career games from 2 players to win the last two games for the cavs). They are also much better defensively than the suns, so again, what are you gonna do. Billups' matches up against nash much better (nash on D) and would have had a very solid series.
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