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Old 09-12-2018, 01:05 PM   #1
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Default Purgatory or hit the reset button?

Purgatory, not necessarily in hell as in bottom feeders, good enough to qualify in the playoffs but no chance of winning the ring.
Teams like Miami, Portland, New Orleans, Toronto etc.
Riley, refused to use the "R" word , rebuilding is not in his vocabulary esp after Bron left, paying good players like Dragic more than they deserve. The question is if you are the GM of these teams, would you hit that reset button?

Portland is stuck, 2 undersized but very good allstars, tried hard, did their best to improve on their weaknesses, played better defense and still got eliminated early.
Pelicans have 1 top 3 superstar but doesn't really have a chance to win it all....

When do you decide to cut your losses and restart fresh.. It's painful to see that bad record, losses after losses. loyal fans would scream and the bad part is that there are no assurances that it will get better soon, ask the Sacramento Kings.
Some don't have a choice, Dallas' Dirk is on his last leg, now they have 2 young guys to build around, same with Phoenix.
Hawks, Orlando, Nets would have to wait and suck for 3-4 years until they find new guys to infuse fresh talent.
So if you are the GM of Portland or the Pelicans, would you do it now?

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Old 09-12-2018, 01:19 PM   #2
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Default Re: Purgatory or hit the reset button?

Why reset? Just do the job you're hired to do. Draft great talents. Trade your assets and turn them into better assets. Get great coaching staff. Get great free agents.

SAS ran on Parker and Manu for a while...two guys who were late picks...and they traded for Kawhi for cheap.
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The end goal is not all about winning championships. Obviously everyone wants to win but if the team is profiting that is the true victory for majority of upper managements.
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Old 09-12-2018, 01:27 PM   #4
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Why reset? Just do the job you're hired to do. Draft great talents. Trade your assets and turn them into better assets. Get great coaching staff. Get great free agents.

SAS ran on Parker and Manu for a while...two guys who were late picks...and they traded for Kawhi for cheap.

It's a fair question. Having Duncan really helps and yes, finding those gems late in the draft but now there's advance scouting with most teams and it's almost like winning the lottery in terms of 29 other teams not knowing that there's a future Manu out there by the 45th pick.
Pat Riley is a great VP IMO, he finds good workaholic staff to find and nurture those young guys and still can't seem to find those players lately.
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Old 09-13-2018, 03:10 AM   #5
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It's a fair question. Having Duncan really helps and yes, finding those gems late in the draft but now there's advance scouting with most teams and it's almost like winning the lottery in terms of 29 other teams not knowing that there's a future Manu out there by the 45th pick.
Pat Riley is a great VP IMO, he finds good workaholic staff to find and nurture those young guys and still can't seem to find those players lately.
Not quite like winning the lottery. Even these past years there are many players who are outplaying their draft spots (Josh Richardson, Murray, Brogdon, Jokic etc.)
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Old 09-13-2018, 04:11 AM   #6
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some teams know they will never be serious contenders. they do not "play to win." they play to simply get by and to make money for the owner.
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Why reset? Just do the job you're hired to do. Draft great talents. Trade your assets and turn them into better assets. Get great coaching staff. Get great free agents.

SAS ran on Parker and Manu for a while...two guys who were late picks...and they traded for Kawhi for cheap.


The the whole David Robinson and then getting to draft Timmy D kinda debunks that IMO.

This is a superstar driven league that requires a ton of luck for the stars to align.

If you are picking mid to late rounders you gotta hope that a bunch of NBA teams full of professional scouts pass on great talents. Guys slip through the cracks but the chances of a team getting a game changing superstar late in the draft is super rare.

Oh and in today's league, it's not like one superstar is going to amount to anything. You need at least 2 that can stay healthy and get along with one another.

IMO best shot a team has at being special is drafting a superstar and odds are you need a top 3 pick to do that.
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Old 09-13-2018, 08:23 PM   #8
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this is like choosing between bron or kobe. One gives you the playoffs right away coz he can do much more but the ceiling is low. Coz he cant fit with other stars. While the other wont give you the wins right away but he can fit with other stars so he has the potential to win it all. So ill pick kobe every time.
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Old 09-13-2018, 09:42 PM   #9
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The the whole David Robinson and then getting to draft Timmy D kinda debunks that IMO.

This is a superstar driven league that requires a ton of luck for the stars to align.

If you are picking mid to late rounders you gotta hope that a bunch of NBA teams full of professional scouts pass on great talents. Guys slip through the cracks but the chances of a team getting a game changing superstar late in the draft is super rare.

Oh and in today's league, it's not like one superstar is going to amount to anything. You need at least 2 that can stay healthy and get along with one another.

IMO best shot a team has at being special is drafting a superstar and odds are you need a top 3 pick to do that.

Jazz got Gobert at 27. They'd probably still be tanking if they hadn't gotten lucky with him.
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Reset if you want a dynasty
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Not quite like winning the lottery. Even these past years there are many players who are outplaying their draft spots (Josh Richardson, Murray, Brogdon, Jokic etc.)

What are the chances that Josh, Murray and Brogdon making the allstars ever?
These guys you mentioned are good role players but I can't see them being the number 3 guy atleast. Yes, maybe Murray might have a shot because of his accuracy but his overall, he still needs work with passing, defending etc.
Jokic is really good, Denver has been knocking at the playoff berth for like 2-3 years now and still nothing. He had Nurkic too, along with Harris and Murray but it's going to take everybody making a great leap for them to be contenders.
Aside from Jokic, what team actually get a VERY SOLID player late in the draft, the past 10 years?
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The the whole David Robinson and then getting to draft Timmy D kinda debunks that IMO.

This is a superstar driven league that requires a ton of luck for the stars to align.

If you are picking mid to late rounders you gotta hope that a bunch of NBA teams full of professional scouts pass on great talents. Guys slip through the cracks but the chances of a team getting a game changing superstar late in the draft is super rare.

Oh and in today's league, it's not like one superstar is going to amount to anything. You need at least 2 that can stay healthy and get along with one another.

IMO best shot a team has at being special is drafting a superstar and odds are you need a top 3 pick to do that.
I agree with your points but you didn't answer my question, if you are Portland or Orleans or even Miami, would you trade your assets and reset?
It worked with Boston, Sixers etc but Sac town has been failing.
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What are the chances that Josh, Murray and Brogdon making the allstars ever?
These guys you mentioned are good role players but I can't see them being the number 3 guy atleast. Yes, maybe Murray might have a shot because of his accuracy but his overall, he still needs work with passing, defending etc.
Jokic is really good, Denver has been knocking at the playoff berth for like 2-3 years now and still nothing. He had Nurkic too, along with Harris and Murray but it's going to take everybody making a great leap for them to be contenders.
Aside from Jokic, what team actually get a VERY SOLID player late in the draft, the past 10 years?
As a GM, you can turn these assets into better assets. In fact, it is your job.

Well, there's Dray, Butler, Gobert, Capela, Kuz, etc in late rounds. In mid rounds we have Giannis, Kawhi, Harris, Booker, Mitchell, etc.
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As a GM, you can turn these assets into better assets. In fact, it is your job.

Well, there's Dray, Butler, Gobert, Capela, Kuz, etc in late rounds. In mid rounds we have Giannis, Kawhi, Harris, Booker, Mitchell, etc.

I don't disagree but it's my opinion that aside from great scouting, you also need a lot of luck to find those gems. You have to cross your fingers, hope and pray for other GM's not to pick them esp late in the draft.
You can get lucky like Phoenix with Booker but it's so much harder to get another one in the next couple of years. Of the names you mentioned, Utah was the only team who got 2 good players and even then, they needed a good coach to put it all together, just like the Bucks. They have Giannis and 2-3 good players and still they can't seem to get close to being top 3.
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I don't disagree but it's my opinion that aside from great scouting, you also need a lot of luck to find those gems. You have to cross your fingers, hope and pray for other GM's not to pick them esp late in the draft.
You can get lucky like Phoenix with Booker but it's so much harder to get another one in the next couple of years. Of the names you mentioned, Utah was the only team who got 2 good players and even then, they needed a good coach to put it all together, just like the Bucks. They have Giannis and 2-3 good players and still they can't seem to get close to being top 3.

Snyder hasn't looked like a good coach when Gobert isn't on the floor.
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