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Old 06-15-2007, 02:48 PM   #1
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i know this is an exremely unpopular view on this board...but i dont think mitch is that bad of a GM...

heres why:

-i believe mitch took over after the lakers won thier 1st championship...and he upkept the roster for thier next two championships...

-then after they lost in 2003 in the playoffs...he was able to bring in payton and malone....both for the MLE...whcih got us back in the finals....

- then trading shaq wasnt his idea...it was jerry buss', he had no other choice...and if you remember shaq said he only wanted to go to miami and dallas....no other team really wanted him anyways...and dallas wasnt about to give up dirk...so the lakers got "okay" value with odom, butler, and grant(contract)....

- they have one completely ****ty year after trading shaq....which was expected....really no choice there....everyone knew the consequence of trading shaq....

- for me the one bad move he's made is trading butler for brown....for those of you who hate him, this is the one move you can hang him on....but in fairness the lakers, at the time, had no low post precense and he felt they needed a power forward...obviously that didnt work out....but really dont remember everyone getting pissed at the time when it happened....

- with the tenth pick mitch drafted bynum....come back in three years and you'll be praising him, trust me....oh and dont forget he drafted turiaf in the second round...he also got walton in the 2nd round too....sure there's a few guys he's missed (ellis, arenas), but so did everybody in the NBA....including mr. jerry west himself.....

- the last two years mitch has tried to be a decent enough team out on the court without spending money....just for the record getting davis and artest isnt his call....its buss' because he's the one paying the contract....he's done "okay" with getting players from nowhere that contribute....for example evans and even smush gave us an okay year when he first arrived...i dont remember anybody bashing him in his 1st year.....

-anyways....this is this offseason he sound like he'll do allright....he'll either trade for o'neal (without giving up bynum as reports have stated)....or trade kobe to the bulls because kobe demands it....and even then he'll end up with some combination of young talent (deng, gordon, #9 pick)....

*we've gone to the playoffs two years in a row and have gotten stuck playing the suns and losing in the 1st round......well now three years removed from a finals appearance....i think its time to start a new era....one that includes deng and godon....and everyone once again focuses on how the "team" is doing, not how "kobe" is doing....which we havent done in quite some time.....thank you....the end....


*i know most, if not all, will bash me for this, which is fine....but im interested in seeing if anybody remotely agrees with me....anybody?...haha
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^ good thoughts, and i myself have never held mitch responsible for many of the events on the team... on the kwame trade i know he gets bashed for that but phil jackson signed off on that trade, he was consulted before they pulled the trigger...
now we come to find out that arron mckie was a signing because kobe wanted mckie on the team and the lakers appeased him...

i also think his drafts have been acceptable, when people say we could have had this guy or that one they don't understnd that the draft is a real crap shoot, i hate it when 2nd round players develope into really good players (ie barbosa) and then the fact that he's not on you team people point fingers at the GM and say "he's a lousy GM look at who he passed up"
i say yeah well so did 28 other teams some of them twice...lol

the one place i fault mitch is he needs to be more aseertive i belive, he needs to say to everyone involved, "let me do my job" but then buss has always had a strong hand in player realtions and siginings he bypassed west many times to deal with top level players...
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Old 06-15-2007, 05:27 PM   #3
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they are good thoughts and u guys are right about phil jax signing off on the trade that brought us butterfingers for butler. at the time phil wanted LO to be our "pippen" and wanted him to be our sf so he didnt feel that butler had a spot on our team so we traded for brown and put him at pf and mihm at center. then mihm gets hurt so brown became our new center.

now i dont think the main problem with mitch is the players he drafted and the players he brought in with trades but its the players that he didnt go out and get when we had a chance to make some moves. like kobe said, we had a shot at b davis, artest, boozer, and kidd and management decided against it. now whether or not that was mitch's doing or jimmy's doing, mitch is the gm and should be held accountable. at least this coming season is mitch's last year under contract as our gm. lets hope that his contract isnt renewed and lets also hope that jimmy isnt promoted as our new gm.
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Old 06-15-2007, 06:32 PM   #4
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like kobe said, we had a shot at b davis, artest, boozer, and kidd
the kidd trade was a blown save...utah came out and stated after kobes tirade, that boozer was never discussed with the lakers, b.davis was coming off an injury that nobody really wanted to gamble on, and artest is still a nut job can you really blame anybody for not gambling away a chance on him?...lol

you have to rember that the lakers that season when the artest and b davis things went down were not a deep team at all and to gamble a on a player with health issues or attitude concerns is not an option in my book, say you do pull the trigger on a b davis trade, you would be picking up a player that had not played in months since surgery and there was serious doubts he''d ever be 100% again,, the fact that he is ok and playing well now is all hindsight.
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Mitch?

Don't you know our GM is Kobe Bryant?
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Old 06-16-2007, 12:36 AM   #6
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Kupchak is a mediocre GM at best... So, if the Lakers want a GM with a "C" grade, then Mitch is your man. If you want someone to help assemble a championship team and deal with both the coach and ownership effectively, Mitch is NOT your man.

There are certainly GM's in the league that are far worse, but for the Lakers, a mediocre GM is just not good enough.



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Old 06-16-2007, 01:22 AM   #7
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Kupchak is a mediocre GM at best... So, if the Lakers want a GM with a "C" grade, then Mitch is your man. If you want someone to help assemble a championship team and deal with both the coach and ownership effectively, Mitch is NOT your man.

There are certainly GM's in the league that are far worse, but for the Lakers, a mediocre GM is just not good enough.





great point. many other teams would be happy being in this situation after being in the finals 4 years earlier and then went through a rebuilding process. that is not good enough for us. we have either won titles or have been serious title contenders every decade since the 50's and now we have the best player in the world in his prime and management has failed building a winner around him. it started with the snaq o'meal trade. we didnt recieve an all star in return and we even took brian grants contract off of their hands. the only player that became an all star got shipped to washington for butterfingers. mitch should have put his foot down right there and said if u guys want shaq who is arguably the most dominating center to play the game, then u have to give up wade or no deal. but like socal said, our management is mediocore at best so now we're stuck in the situation that we're in with kobe possibly being traded. someone has to be accountable for this and that someone has to be our gm which is mitch.
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how does one find a good GM? Steal one away from another team? i just realized that of all positions on a team this may be the hardest to fill
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ur definitely right gts. it will be difficult finding a good gm. i wouldnt mind seeing kiki vandeweigh get the job. he is from the LA area and was the architect of the nuggets team. i think he did a great job in denver and if they stay healthy next season, they can make some noise. melo missed 17 games, k mart missed the whole season, and nene came back from a serious knee injury and they still finished at the 6th spot. i like kiki and think he would make an excellent gm for us and im sure he would be interested in coming home to LA.
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ur definitely right gts. it will be difficult finding a good gm. i wouldnt mind seeing kiki vandeweigh get the job. he is from the LA area and was the architect of the nuggets team. i think he did a great job in denver and if they stay healthy next season, they can make some noise. melo missed 17 games, k mart missed the whole season, and nene came back from a serious knee injury and they still finished at the 6th spot. i like kiki and think he would make an excellent gm for us and im sure he would be interested in coming home to LA.

dont get me wrong....i like kiki and all.....but i wouldnt go braging that he was the "architect" of the denver nuggets.....
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dont get me wrong....i like kiki and all.....but i wouldnt go braging that he was the "architect" of the denver nuggets.....


he may not have been responsible for getting AI or jr smith because he wasnt the gm but he definitely acquired enough talent to where the new gm was able to put the peices together to get AI and smith. either way, in my opinion he is a big improvement over kupcake.
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how does one find a good GM? Steal one away from another team? i just realized that of all positions on a team this may be the hardest to fill

The million dollar question!!!!



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apeman222 I AGREE !!!

I think Larry Bird is trying to fleece us by adding the Kwame for
Murphy part to the Bynum/LO7 for O'Neal trade. Bynum and LO7
for O'neal is already a good deal for Indy. We would need something
else that they won't probably give up. That deal could be dead, unless
they really really like Bynum.

Mitch is good at his job. I wonder if "the logo" will "consult" for us
when he's free again?

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