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Old 06-17-2007, 03:11 AM   #1
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Default If the refs gave Wade BS calls last yr why didnt they give Lebron this yr??

Discuss pls??
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Old 06-17-2007, 03:25 AM   #2
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Default Re: If the refs gave Wade BS calls last yr why didnt they give Lebron this yr??

Because it would be too obvious. Even an NBA player (TMac) said it looked fixed. Plus they also had Shaq. The NBA loves Shaq.
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Old 06-17-2007, 03:30 AM   #3
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Default Re: If the refs gave Wade BS calls last yr why didnt they give Lebron this yr??

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Because it would be too obvious. Even an NBA player (TMac) said it looked fixed. Plus they also had Shaq. The NBA loves Shaq.

ok but WHy does the NBA love SHAQ??????????????
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Old 06-17-2007, 04:38 AM   #4
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Because it would be too obvious. Even an NBA player (TMac) said it looked fixed. Plus they also had Shaq. The NBA loves Shaq.

TMac said it looked fixed...hahaha, I honestly never heard that before. Hmm..now I hate TMac more than I used to, pretty astute finals commentator for someone who has never won a playoff series.

there are 2 reasons for this:

1 Dallas vs San Antonio
-Dallas's on the ball defense sucked, and Wade got a step on his immediate defender.
-Dallas's defensive rotations were slow (Damp, Diop) and Wade was beating them to the spot.
-Bowen was a great on the ball defender in the series.
-the Spurs double team on Bron came earlier than the Mavs one on Wade
-Spurs defense is in position earlier than Dallas's thus avoiding the blocking call.

Wade vs Bron
-Wade has a better jumpshot, defender has to man up at all times
-Wade has better body control
-Wade attacks the rim, draws contact fades away
-Bron attacks the rim and goes through the contact (harder to call)
-Miami had post threats that facilitated late helpside rotations (you couldn't ignore Shaq and Zo and Udon the way you can Sideshow, Z and Gooden)


there you have it
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Old 06-17-2007, 04:38 AM   #5
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Discuss pls??


Why you ask? Its quite simple. David Stern looked at the blowback caused by the Cavs winning the title. Mike Brown would be guaranteed to be LeBrons coach for as long as the king is in Cleavland. This would be disastrous for the global icons game. Stern saw this and stepped in. Now Brown can be more easily bought out or fired b/c he won't have that title to throw down on the bargaining table.
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Old 06-17-2007, 05:00 AM   #6
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Default Re: If the refs gave Wade BS calls last yr why didnt they give Lebron this yr??

Stern has had PLENTY of chances to pull his usual "Vince McMahon" tactics lately but haven't, I almost feel he's purposely sitting quiet so he can shut the conspiracy theory up, catch us off guard, then pull a big one on us.

Think about it

the draft (oden and durant giong west to small markets )
the suspension (suns winning would have been better for league)
a bunch of calls that COULD have gone Lebron's way but didn't (rip's foul on lebron at the end of ECF game 2, Bowen's foul on Lebron at the end of game 3)

I'm shocked. This is DAvid Stern, who has always pulled out the "shady officials" in certain playoff games when a certain team needed a win to keep viewers interested, like the Lakers in game 6 2002 WCF, Knicks in game 5 ECF, Heat last year's finals game 4 and 5....
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Old 06-17-2007, 08:34 AM   #7
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Default Re: If the refs gave Wade BS calls last yr why didnt they give Lebron this yr??

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Why you ask? Its quite simple. David Stern looked at the blowback caused by the Cavs winning the title. Mike Brown would be guaranteed to be LeBrons coach for as long as the king is in Cleavland. This would be disastrous for the global icons game. Stern saw this and stepped in. Now Brown can be more easily bought out or fired b/c he won't have that title to throw down on the bargaining table.

Wow. I think you're nuts, but that would be awesome if this was all just to get us to get rid of Mike Brown.

What's the next step? Fire Danny Ferry, or force some GM's into taking our overpaid, overextended, aging veterans so we can sign a real player to help James out?

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Default Re: If the refs gave Wade BS calls last yr why didnt they give Lebron this yr??

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TMac said it looked fixed...hahaha, I honestly never heard that before. Hmm..now I hate TMac more than I used to, pretty astute finals commentator for someone who has never won a playoff series.

there are 2 reasons for this:

1 Dallas vs San Antonio
-Dallas's on the ball defense sucked, and Wade got a step on his immediate defender.
-Dallas's defensive rotations were slow (Damp, Diop) and Wade was beating them to the spot.
-Bowen was a great on the ball defender in the series.
-the Spurs double team on Bron came earlier than the Mavs one on Wade
-Spurs defense is in position earlier than Dallas's thus avoiding the blocking call.

Wade vs Bron
-Wade has a better jumpshot, defender has to man up at all times
-Wade has better body control
-Wade attacks the rim, draws contact fades away
-Bron attacks the rim and goes through the contact (harder to call)
-Miami had post threats that facilitated late helpside rotations (you couldn't ignore Shaq and Zo and Udon the way you can Sideshow, Z and Gooden)


there you have it


end thread. great explanation. and im with you on the t mac comment.
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Old 06-17-2007, 08:41 AM   #9
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Default Re: If the refs gave Wade BS calls last yr why didnt they give Lebron this yr??

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Wow. I think you're nuts, but that would be awesome if this was all just to get us to get rid of Mike Brown.

What's the next step? Fire Danny Ferry, or force some GM's into taking our overpaid, overextended, aging veterans so we can sign a real player to help James out?

Mathius


just curious, if you could get any coach for the cavs, meaning you choose them yourself, who would it be?
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Old 06-17-2007, 08:47 AM   #10
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just curious, if you could get any coach for the cavs, meaning you choose them yourself, who would it be?

Anyone at all? Hrm. I think we need an old school coach that is a teacher, personally.

Maybe bring back Lenny Wilkins or Chuck Daly from retirement. But honestly, half the problem is Danny Ferry, and I have a feeling after this team got to the Finals, Ferry is going to be looked at as a savior, rather than the guy who got us swept in the Finals.

I mean on paper it seems like all we need is a solid point guard and a scorer beside Lebron, but when you look at the technicals of it, Ferry has us so overloaded with old guys who are making a lot of money and under contract for the next 2-3 years...

By the time we clean up that mess. Lebron may split. Although after getting to the Finals his opinion of the team may have changed. Hard to say after the sweep.

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Old 06-17-2007, 08:51 AM   #11
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Default Re: If the refs gave Wade BS calls last yr why didnt they give Lebron this yr??

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Because it would be too obvious. Even an NBA player (TMac) said it looked fixed. Plus they also had Shaq. The NBA loves Shaq.
T-Mac is just hatting because he can't win a damn playoff series.
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Old 06-17-2007, 11:02 AM   #12
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Default Re: If the refs gave Wade BS calls last yr why didnt they give Lebron this yr??

Wade is faster than Lebron.


Dallas' defense is porous and Dirk is soft as the interior defender.




If it were Cavaliers vs Mavericks I could see a free throw parade. but not on Sn Antonio
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Old 06-17-2007, 11:29 AM   #13
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because lebron didn't take it to the hole nearly as often as wade did.
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because lebron didn't take it to the hole nearly as often as wade did.


he did. he was either quadrupled and put up a tough shot that rimmed out or he passed it off or finished.


the SPurs play excellent defense and they know not to give up cheap fouls like the Mavericks
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Old 06-17-2007, 11:40 AM   #15
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Default Re: If the refs gave Wade BS calls last yr why didnt they give Lebron this yr??

Think the reason is partially all the blowback the league got from Wade's freethrows in the finals last year, they likely made it clear to the judges that they didn't want a repeat.

This year represented more of a return to normal in terms of how fouls are called in the playoffs.
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