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Old 07-11-2006, 01:06 PM   #31
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Shawn Marion is way underrated as a player. He is a player that can mesh with any playing style, because he is so athletic. Chris Wilcox on the other hand is a hardcore jammer - a poor man's Amare. You can compare him to Stromile Swift. A swap of Marion for Wilcox is in Seattle's dreams, but a 2 man swap for Rashard Lewis and Chris Wilcox for Shawn Marion and KT would be seriously worth considering. Rashard Lewis is the player that Phoenix needs and Wilcox will be such a good backup for Phoenix. Shawn Marion on the other end would still be getting his Matrix like stats with Ray.

Only problem with that is that it would basically undo all of Phoenix's hard work to become credible defensively last year. Would make them much more like the team from the year before and would basically mean that Diaw and Bell were their only good defenders. Offensively it's a nice idea though.
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Old 07-11-2006, 01:20 PM   #32
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what the hell? he thinks he is a 6 year $60 million man? yea f-ing right. good job screwing up free agency this year Denver. im sure tons of teams are happy you set the bar for overpaid career backup big men.
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Old 07-11-2006, 01:35 PM   #33
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the only reason the Suns thought about trading Marion was to free up cap room once Amare and Diaw's extensions kick in and avoid the luxery tax, why would they then trade him to take on the big contract of a player that is WORSE than he is?
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Old 07-11-2006, 05:13 PM   #34
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what the hell? he thinks he is a 6 year $60 million man? yea f-ing right. good job screwing up free agency this year Denver. im sure tons of teams are happy you set the bar for overpaid career backup big men.

Is the last year of Nene's deal guaranteed?

If it isn't, and it is around 12-13 million, then Nene really got 5 years, $47-48 million, which is about what Prince and Dunleavy got last year, so that is more reasonable.

But Wilcox is not worth more than a 3 year deal at say $18-20 million. Even that is overpricing him, but that is current market value.
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Old 07-11-2006, 07:17 PM   #35
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Wilcox? For a top 10 in almost EVERYY STAT player?

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Old 07-11-2006, 07:21 PM   #36
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Marion is not getting traded for at least a year.
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Old 07-11-2006, 11:56 PM   #37
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Man, if I were the Sonics i'd just tell Wilcox to go f*** himself. He can go take the midlevel somewhere, but there's no way in hell he's getting anything over $40M.
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Old 07-12-2006, 12:18 AM   #38
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He probably will with the GMs nowadays. Denver signed up Nene right away at a very high price but believe it or not, some other team could of offered even more. People now overpay to get the players they want and im pretty sure the nba players know this too. For this reason i would bet why wilcox is pulliing for about the same money as nene. And if thats not on his mind and he thinks hes good enough for 60million... then god help him
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Old 07-12-2006, 01:13 AM   #39
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Why not trade Marion? Boris Diaw can do almost everything Marion can, and you get a quality big.

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KT
Marion

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Wilcox
Rashard Lewis

This trade would be perfect for the Suns b/c it would give them another outside shooter and a post up player. And to make matters better, you get rid of KT's big contract, who will probably injured half the time, and get a stud in Wilcox. Come on, how many bad playoff performances from Marion do we need to see before we call him overated?
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First, Marion's salary matches Wilcox and Lewis together. You might be able to add a contract like James Jones, but KT makes too much (and the Suns definitely aren't taking Danny Fortson, not even to make the numbers match).

Second, I can't imagine what value Wilcox would bring to the Suns to justify giving him a big contract. He'd be a backup for that entire contract, so why would the Suns offer him more than the MLE?

If Wilcox was talking MLE-level for three years, and Lewis was willing not to opt out of his deal, I could see the Suns making that trade. But I don't see why Wilcox would do that, and besides, that's not Marion for Wilcox, it's Marion for Lewis, with Wilcox as the kicker.


"Marion for Wilcox"? You've got to be kidding me.
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Why not trade Marion? Boris Diaw can do almost everything Marion can, and you get a quality big.

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KT
Marion

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Wilcox
Rashard Lewis

This trade would be perfect for the Suns b/c it would give them another outside shooter and a post up player. And to make matters better, you get rid of KT's big contract, who will probably injured half the time, and get a stud in Wilcox. Come on, how many bad playoff performances from Marion do we need to see before we call him overated?

Adding Rashard makes takes it a little over the top and favors the Suns. No really way of evening it out though
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They wanted Marion for Wilcox straight up? Are they insane. Dude has a solid half year, and now they think he is worth an all-star?

Oh well, I guess I can't blame them for trying.

I don't like the KT and Marion trade for Wilcox and Lewis. What does that really do for the Suns? All that does is eliminate a lot of the defense that we had, which isn't much, and replace it with a soft, jump shooter, who can't play a lick of D, and an unproven forward to which we would be paying a large sum of money to for coming off the bench. Plus, they still need to extend Diaw. No dice.

Diaw>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Wilcox
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Adding Rashard makes takes it a little over the top and favors the Suns. No really way of evening it out though

Why not just offer Marion and Barbosa for Wilcox and Lewis. It's pretty even. Well this would come under terms that Wilcox signed for like 3 years instead of a ridiculous 6 years 60M.

Phoenix has to choose now, Barbosa or Diaw. One of them are going to get an extension, that's going to be almost adding another max contract to them.

I'll put this scenario out there see what I get as a response.

Phoenix Trades
Marion (15M)
Barbosa (1.7M)

Sonics Trades
Lewis (9.3M)
Wilcox (signing a 30M 4 year deal w/ PO on 4th year, roughly starting 6.8M)

Honestly, Phoenix will be unable to keep both Barbosa and Diaw. I'd choose Diaw over Barbosa anyday. Lewis can perhaps come to an agreement that he won't opt out on 2007/2008 as long as they work out an extension. Wilcox gets a decent contract.

What do yall think?
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