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Old 06-30-2007, 06:24 AM   #1
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Default list of trades i feel which would suit the Suns

i originally posted it on the "What are your opinions on any possible trades involving Marion?" thread... but i feel it should on a thread of it's own...

ATLANTA
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/feature...21~21~21~1~1~1

we get talented players that the Hawks simply just refuse to play... along with a back-up PG... or if we are doing this after the draft we can try getting Mike Coloney jr...

BOSTON
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/feature...~2~21~21~21~21

i personally would love to see Wally in Phoenix raining treys on everyone! and Celtics get a solid 2nd option in their run to improve and we get a back-up point and a low-post player to play along side Amare... it might seem like the Celtics are getting r@ped in this trade so we'll toss in the 2009 Hawks pick...

DALLAS
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/feature...~21~21~6~6~6~6

the quest to re-unite Dirk and Nash... the Mavs lose their best player but Marion and Josh Howard would be a great combination to share the 1st option... both have talent to become superstars and this is an opportunity for them to do so... Raja Bell also fills in the defensive 2 spot for the Mavs so they are not entirely losing out... or we can top in the Hawks 2009 pick...

DENVER
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/feature...7 ~7~21~21~21

DETRIOT
Marion for Webber is the main thing... Webber is a big man able to distribute the ball... and he and Amare will be great as the 4 5 of the team...

INDIANA
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/feature...11~21~21~21~21

Tinsley would be a perfect back-up for Nash... Murphy fits the Suns style as a shooting big man who can run... Granger is young and talented and the rest are pretty much fillers... this gives Pacers a chance to rebuild around Marion too...

LA CLIPPERS
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/feature... ~21~21~12~12

MAX would be great for the running and gunning Suns... TT is a good fit and the Suns can get him back since they are unable to meet his salary expectation this past off-season... Livingston and develop playing as a back-up for Nash... and Clippers can look for more defence in Marion than MAX...


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MEMPHIS
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/feature...~ 29~21~21~21

trading for a young-core would benefit the Suns on a long run... Memphis shouldn't hesitate much to do this trade because they are getting a proven player which will likely make Gasol happy and make him stay... Stro would be a great back-up for Amare with KT age-ing... and Warrick is an added-bonus...

MIAMI
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/feature...21~21~14~14~14

after their dissapointing run in the playoffs... the HEat are liekly to rebuild... Marion would benefit Wade as his "right-hand" man and bring defence to the Heat Squad... Suns get Udonis Haslem who i feel will play great along with Amare... along with a prime-time offensive player in Antoine Walker who i feel would be great as a 6th man... Alonzo + KT would also boost our low-post defence when we play against teams like SA SPurs...

MINNESOTA
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/feature...21~21~16~16~16

the trade i wanna see most... absically landing KG in Phoenix... the rest are just fillers... Craig Smith must be included in the trade as the SUns need to find some back-up big men... we also need at sign another efficient PF/C from the FA...

NEW JERSEY
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/feature... 7~17~21~21~21

basically RJ for Marion... NJ will really need Marion who can play 2 positions and can defend any player on the opposing team... RJ would be a great offensive addition to Phoenix along with Nachbar and back-up big man Josh Boone...

ORLANDO
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/feature...24&teams=19~21

you might think im crazy... but Reddick will really develop in a team liek Phoenix... im taking the chance of trading away Bell... who can also develop as a scorer in a despo-for-scorer team like ORlando... i think it will benefit both teams...

TORONTO
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/feature...=28~2 8~21~21

the Suns need to add in their 08 pick from Atlanta... Barganani will really fit into the Suns system... big guy who can shoot the trey... but im not very confident that the Raptors will give up him...

sorry about some trades that are really not do-able or silly... but i feel these trades will benefit Phoenix... pls share your opinions...
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Old 06-30-2007, 10:04 AM   #2
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I don't know man.

Marion for Webber? Tinsley and Murphy? Scerbiack!? Marion is a much better player than RJ too.

Marion is or at least was an absolute superstar. He had a bad season in my oppinion i think hes unmotivating himself by worrying about public oppinion.

Back in the Marbury days and even in the half season where we didnt have a gun PG, Marion was the main/joint offensive option and he had a range of moves that got him points. His mid range jumper was money, and it was! he used floaters, runners and of course his dunks. Nowadays hes limited himseldf or has been limited to catching alley-oops and fast break dunks with the occasional 3 pointer.
If you watch tapes of the season where he and Marbury got to the playoffs (i came accross one the other day) its a different Shawn Marion on the floor...Hes smiling, energised and a scoring machine.

I dont know maybe hes become stale in Phoenix and needs to go...But if we do trade him we wont get equal value if he starts playing the way he can for a new team, and i think he will given some offensive freedom.

I'm obviously a Shawn Marion fan but i do think he's crucifying himself with his whinging, no good can come from it.
Obviously Amare is a superstar but i dont think theres any doubt hes whats causing Marions insecurities if you will, which is why i'd trade him for Garnett who has similar ability to Stoudemire minus the unpredictability and hints of selfishness i associate with Amare. If the trade allows Marion to turn back the clock a few years i think it will pay dividends of gigantic proportions.

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Old 06-30-2007, 11:32 AM   #3
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The links didn't work for me, but all I wanna know is who you gave up for Bargnani because if it doesn't blow me away theres absolutely no chance Colangelo would give him up.
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sorry for the links problem... i'll post it again...

ATLANTA
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/feature...21~21~21~1~1~1

we get talented players that the Hawks simply just refuse to play... along with a back-up PG... or if we are doing this after the draft we can try getting Mike Coloney jr...

DALLAS
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/feature...~21~21~6~6~6~6

the quest to re-unite Dirk and Nash... the Mavs lose their best player but Marion and Josh Howard would be a great combination to share the 1st option... both have talent to become superstars and this is an opportunity for them to do so... Raja Bell also fills in the defensive 2 spot for the Mavs so they are not entirely losing out... or we can top in the Hawks 2009 pick...

DENVER
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/feature...7 ~7~21~21~21

DETRIOT
Marion for Webber is the main thing... Webber is a big man able to distribute the ball... and he and Amare will be great as the 4 5 of the team...

INDIANA
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/feature...11~21~21~21~21

Tinsley would be a perfect back-up for Nash... Murphy fits the Suns style as a shooting big man who can run... Granger is young and talented and the rest are pretty much fillers... this gives Pacers a chance to rebuild around Marion too...

LA CLIPPERS
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/feature... ~21~21~12~12

MAX would be great for the running and gunning Suns... TT is a good fit and the Suns can get him back since they are unable to meet his salary expectation this past off-season... Livingston and develop playing as a back-up for Nash... and Clippers can look for more defence in Marion than MAX...


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MEMPHIS
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/feature...~ 29~21~21~21

trading for a young-core would benefit the Suns on a long run... Memphis shouldn't hesitate much to do this trade because they are getting a proven player which will likely make Gasol happy and make him stay... Stro would be a great back-up for Amare with KT age-ing... and Warrick is an added-bonus...

MIAMI
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/feature...21~21~14~14~14

after their dissapointing run in the playoffs... the HEat are liekly to rebuild... Marion would benefit Wade as his "right-hand" man and bring defence to the Heat Squad... Suns get Udonis Haslem who i feel will play great along with Amare... along with a prime-time offensive player in Antoine Walker who i feel would be great as a 6th man... Alonzo + KT would also boost our low-post defence when we play against teams like SA SPurs...

MINNESOTA
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/feature...21~21~16~16~16

the trade i wanna see most... absically landing KG in Phoenix... the rest are just fillers... Craig Smith must be included in the trade as the SUns need to find some back-up big men... we also need at sign another efficient PF/C from the FA...

NEW JERSEY
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/feature... 7~17~21~21~21

basically RJ for Marion... NJ will really need Marion who can play 2 positions and can defend any player on the opposing team... RJ would be a great offensive addition to Phoenix along with Nachbar and back-up big man Josh Boone...

ORLANDO
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/feature...24&teams=19~21

you might think im crazy... but Reddick will really develop in a team liek Phoenix... im taking the chance of trading away Bell... who can also develop as a scorer in a despo-for-scorer team like ORlando... i think it will benefit both teams...

TORONTO
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/feature...=28~2 8~21~21

the Suns need to add in their 08 pick from Atlanta... Barganani will really fit into the Suns system... big guy who can shoot the trey... but im not very confident that the Raptors will give up him...
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The links didn't work for me, but all I wanna know is who you gave up for Bargnani because if it doesn't blow me away theres absolutely no chance Colangelo would give him up.

yes... i know Bargnani is one of the un-touchable playas on the Raptors squad... and my offer wasn't that attractive even with the 1st round pick... but i feel Bargnani would be great as a Sun...
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Didn't see this one, a trade that could already be in place, and on hold until the salary switch;
Suns trade Marion and Banks to MIL for Simmons and the rights to Yi Jianlian.
Taking Yi didn't seem to make a ton of sense for MIL, considering his refusal to work out there and the fact Charlie V is already on the roster, so maybe they were selecting him for someone else with a trade in place? Milwaukee will have huge cap room when we switch to the 07/08 salaries, so that could be a major asset for them in a trade like this. The Suns would save more than 10mil immediately, putting them below the tax line by enough we could actually offer most of our MLE in free agency. Simmons is overpaid but has only 3 years on his deal and is a quality roleplayer when healthy.
The Bucks do it because they net the perfect All-NBA level SF for their team in exchange for an overpaid role-player coming off a season lost to injury and a pick. Really, can you think of a better SF to start between Redd and Charlie V?
The Suns do it if they think Yi is a future star (they seem to think so), Simmons can be a solid starter at the SF (no question an upgrade on JJ), and Diaw will thrive at PF with Marion replaced with a 3-pt shooter (probably would). A Yi/Amare combo could be pretty deadly long term; incredible size, athleticism, and inside/outside O
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Bargnani is a player you definitely would want in any line up hes a bright young player whos compared to an MVP ermm I guess even though he chokes in the playoffs which won't be happening to the Raptors we were young this year and plus it was a re-building year so if you can say you got to the post-season in a re-building year your heading in a good direction. I kinda like how you wanted Jabroni Graham, I've pretty much given up on him.
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wally, my thoughts on the trades you posted;
ATL;
I like it, but can't see the Hawks giving up their last 3 1st round picks for Marion, considering he would probably be unhappy to be traded there and threaten to leave after 1 year if it happens

DAL;
A pipe dream. No way we could get Dirk without Amare being involved, and even then we'd have to make it a slam dunk type trade from the Dallas side. Also, Harris and Diop are their top young guys (along with JHoward), can't see them giving them up unless it's a deal that gets them much closer to a title right away.

DEN;
There are things to like about this trade, mostly the addition of DPOY Camby, but I can't see either team making this move. Denver wouldn't have enough size left, the Suns aren't likely interested in Smith or Evans

DET;
eww. CWebb would be a horrible fit for the Suns, at this point he's slowed down so much he wouldn't be giving us anything more than a KT-style mid range shooter, but minus all of the D and rebounding Kurt brings. On top of that he's a free agent, so if we really wanted him, and he wanted to play here, we could just sign him without giving up Marion.

IND;
Obvious JJ would not be in this trade anymore. I don't think either team would agree anyway. The Suns would have to take back one of the leagues ugliest contracts in Murphy, 2 other sizeable long term contracts for guys with no fit on our team in Tinsley and 'Quis, and get 1 big reward in Granger. Given our desire to cut salary I couldn't see this happening unless their was a 3rd team willing to take back Tinsley and Murphy and give us expirers and a roleplayer or two in their place. From Indy's side there are just as many problems with this deal. Dumping those contracts is nice, but I doubt they are willing to give up Granger to do it. Adding Marion would ensure their position as a playoff team, but it isn't the type of move that would make them a contender. They are not going to want to give up their only top young prospect for that.

LAC;
A decent deal from both sides, but playing in the same division means any questions 1 team has about the trade are likely to be amplified. The Suns get a good ammount of talent back for Marion and still save money. Clipps get the best player in the deal, and clear up their forward logjam a bit.

MEM;
Another solid deal for both sides; the Suns maybe don't get as much proven talent as the LAC deal, but MM has a chance to be really good in our system and Warrick and Swift might provide some depth up front. Of course they clear some salary also. Memphis gets the best player, a guy who can fill Battier's missing glue-guy role with a much higher level of talent. The question would be if Memphis thinks Gay/Marion will fit on the court together, either at the 2/3 or 3/4

MIA;
Can't see the Suns making this deal, and it's questionable for Miami also. No way we want Antoine Walker's ugly contract. Haslem could be a nice PF for us, like a younger more agile KT, but he's not good enough to give up Marion for. Zo could provide some depth in the paint but might also retire, especially if he were traded to a team like PHX who's style seems a horrible fit for him. Wright has some upside but wouldnt be a significant player for us.

Minny;
I'd endorse just about any trade that brings KG without costing us Nash or Amare. Plenty of talk about this all over the board, nothing further need be said.

NJ;
Not a slam dunk for either team, but there are reasons to like it both ways. The Nets don't have long with Kidd leading them, and upgrading from RJ (who has struggled next to VC) to a perfect 3rd wheel like Marion is a no brainer. Nachbar was a key role-player for them, and along with Boone, their top frontcourt prospect, they may be giving up some significant depth. In the end I think they would love to do that deal though. The Suns obviously get a more talented player in RJ than we have seen in most of the Marion trade ideas, but he's got a contract to match that talent. Adding Nachbar, and to a lesser extent Boone, could give us some quality depth, but probably at best would make up for the drop from Marion to RJ. Considering the trade costs us money in the long term instead of saving it, I'd say we pass.

ORL;
Ugh, worst trade ever. I would give up our '08 1st for Reddick, or the rights to Tucker, or some 2nd rounders, but no way would I give up any productive player for a tiny upside, completely unproven young guy. Make that player Raja Bell, who is essentially the player Reddick is hoping to become some day but with MUCH better D than the Dukie will ever be able to play, and the trade is absolutely laughable. Combine that with the fact that the current contender is getting the young guy and the young team is adding the aging vet roleplayer, and it really makes no sense.

TOR;
Not even possible anymore with JJ gone, I couldn't see TOR trading Bargnani for anything short of Amare, or maybe Barbosa, anyway.
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wally, my thoughts on the trades you posted;
ATL;
I like it, but can't see the Hawks giving up their last 3 1st round picks for Marion, considering he would probably be unhappy to be traded there and threaten to leave after 1 year if it happens

DAL;
A pipe dream. No way we could get Dirk without Amare being involved, and even then we'd have to make it a slam dunk type trade from the Dallas side. Also, Harris and Diop are their top young guys (along with JHoward), can't see them giving them up unless it's a deal that gets them much closer to a title right away.

DEN;
There are things to like about this trade, mostly the addition of DPOY Camby, but I can't see either team making this move. Denver wouldn't have enough size left, the Suns aren't likely interested in Smith or Evans

DET;
eww. CWebb would be a horrible fit for the Suns, at this point he's slowed down so much he wouldn't be giving us anything more than a KT-style mid range shooter, but minus all of the D and rebounding Kurt brings. On top of that he's a free agent, so if we really wanted him, and he wanted to play here, we could just sign him without giving up Marion.

IND;
Obvious JJ would not be in this trade anymore. I don't think either team would agree anyway. The Suns would have to take back one of the leagues ugliest contracts in Murphy, 2 other sizeable long term contracts for guys with no fit on our team in Tinsley and 'Quis, and get 1 big reward in Granger. Given our desire to cut salary I couldn't see this happening unless their was a 3rd team willing to take back Tinsley and Murphy and give us expirers and a roleplayer or two in their place. From Indy's side there are just as many problems with this deal. Dumping those contracts is nice, but I doubt they are willing to give up Granger to do it. Adding Marion would ensure their position as a playoff team, but it isn't the type of move that would make them a contender. They are not going to want to give up their only top young prospect for that.

LAC;
A decent deal from both sides, but playing in the same division means any questions 1 team has about the trade are likely to be amplified. The Suns get a good ammount of talent back for Marion and still save money. Clipps get the best player in the deal, and clear up their forward logjam a bit.

MEM;
Another solid deal for both sides; the Suns maybe don't get as much proven talent as the LAC deal, but MM has a chance to be really good in our system and Warrick and Swift might provide some depth up front. Of course they clear some salary also. Memphis gets the best player, a guy who can fill Battier's missing glue-guy role with a much higher level of talent. The question would be if Memphis thinks Gay/Marion will fit on the court together, either at the 2/3 or 3/4

MIA;
Can't see the Suns making this deal, and it's questionable for Miami also. No way we want Antoine Walker's ugly contract. Haslem could be a nice PF for us, like a younger more agile KT, but he's not good enough to give up Marion for. Zo could provide some depth in the paint but might also retire, especially if he were traded to a team like PHX who's style seems a horrible fit for him. Wright has some upside but wouldnt be a significant player for us.

Minny;
I'd endorse just about any trade that brings KG without costing us Nash or Amare. Plenty of talk about this all over the board, nothing further need be said.

NJ;
Not a slam dunk for either team, but there are reasons to like it both ways. The Nets don't have long with Kidd leading them, and upgrading from RJ (who has struggled next to VC) to a perfect 3rd wheel like Marion is a no brainer. Nachbar was a key role-player for them, and along with Boone, their top frontcourt prospect, they may be giving up some significant depth. In the end I think they would love to do that deal though. The Suns obviously get a more talented player in RJ than we have seen in most of the Marion trade ideas, but he's got a contract to match that talent. Adding Nachbar, and to a lesser extent Boone, could give us some quality depth, but probably at best would make up for the drop from Marion to RJ. Considering the trade costs us money in the long term instead of saving it, I'd say we pass.

ORL;
Ugh, worst trade ever. I would give up our '08 1st for Reddick, or the rights to Tucker, or some 2nd rounders, but no way would I give up any productive player for a tiny upside, completely unproven young guy. Make that player Raja Bell, who is essentially the player Reddick is hoping to become some day but with MUCH better D than the Dukie will ever be able to play, and the trade is absolutely laughable. Combine that with the fact that the current contender is getting the young guy and the young team is adding the aging vet roleplayer, and it really makes no sense.

TOR;
Not even possible anymore with JJ gone, I couldn't see TOR trading Bargnani for anything short of Amare, or maybe Barbosa, anyway.

ATL
i kinda like the Atlanta trade too... you get a "younger" Marion in Josh Smith along with other pieces that will make our bench deeper...

DET
yeah... i kinda figured out C-Webb was a FA a little late... we could sign him or Grant Hill... great veterens for our team i feel...

IND
i feel Troy Murphy and Tinsley has got potential... looking at their best seasons... Tinsly would be perfect as a back-up PG for Nashie... Murphy's best season comes every alternate year... is it coincidental? i don't know but i'll take the chance that he'll produce for us...

MIA
yeah... i just came up with that trade out of the blue... never really went in depth in it...

ORL
maybe we could do Tucker for JJ Reddick... really loved his playing style in Duke... wanna see him do that again... especially in Phoenix...
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