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Old 07-13-2007, 03:56 PM   #1
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They mishandled the entire episode to the point where they are ineligible to use the midlevel exception this year. With a sign-and-trade to move Darko to another team and receive an asset in return, Orlando could have stayed slightly over the salary cap and used the exception. By waiving Milicic, the Magic fell a little below the cap and lost their free agent exceptions. Now they can sign only minimum-salary players. [...] Once Orlando extends the contracts of [Dwight] Howard and [Jameer] Nelson, the team essentially will be capped out for the next five years. This is their team.

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Old 07-13-2007, 03:59 PM   #2
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Well that was pretty stupid. If that's true, how the crap can a team miss something like that?
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Old 07-13-2007, 04:00 PM   #3
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Old 07-13-2007, 04:05 PM   #4
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wait so if a team is under the cap, they don't have a mid-level exception?

but what happens next year when they are no longer under the cap... they still dont' have a mid-level exception?

doesn't make too much sense... be weary of AOL sports news i guess
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Old 07-13-2007, 04:07 PM   #5
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Default Re: Orlando's next 5 years

The article didn't say that at all. Read it again. Its very similar to Chad Ford's article, which is a great read.
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Old 07-13-2007, 04:19 PM   #6
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Lets wait for Orlando Magic fans to defend this.

Shogon would get laid before Orlando even REACHES the NBA finals. But that could be countered by saying Shogon could get laid and Orlando win the NBA finals at the same time. How? Well he did say he would take it up the ole kiester for a championship in Orlando.

Kill 2 birds with 1 stone.



Sidenote: I wonder which player he would let pummel his Black Sea? I'm thinking Rashard Lewis since he makes the most...that way Shogon gets Knocked Up and he can get child support.

For the last time, shut your stupid, negative, oreo ass the fu(k up. You are a waste of life. You are not worth the effort it took for your dad to (um your ass out of the end of his dick.

Yes, Otis Smith goofed it up bigtime. There's no question about it.

But what did you guys think? That the Magic were able to straight up trade for Rashard with capspace and that they still had the MLE? Do you not understand how the CBA works regarding trades & salaries?

They had to renounce Darko and the MLE in order to pull off the S&T that they did. This is hardly news. I knew the moment it was announced that they traded a 2nd rounder and nothing else for Rashard that they had renounced Darko and renounced the MLE, as should have all of you. I don't quite understand why you didn't already know this. You only get to keep the MLE if you are over the cap or have capholds. Darko was the caphold. Once they renounced him they were way, way under the cap, and thus had to give up the MLE.

Their offseason is done for this year. They will have the MLE next year, and the year after, etc. This is not the exact team they're going to have for the next 5 years. Don't believe everything you read.

The core is there, yes... now the surrounding cast needs to be added. Unless Dwight becomes Shaq, this core is not good enough to win a championship. And he's not becoming Shaq... because there's nobody in the league that has anywhere close to that potential, including LeBron, Oden, etc...

Anyways... yeah, all I can basically hope for at this point is that they'll be able to move Lewis' contract in 3 or 4 years once they realize that this team won't get it done. The contract isn't fully guaranteed, by the way. For the most part it is, but the 5th isn't. Bet most of you didn't know that.

All that being said, if they can get anyone at all to contribute inside this year besides Battie & Howard, they will probably make it to the 2nd round at least.

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Old 07-13-2007, 04:23 PM   #7
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Their offseason is done for this year. They will have the MLE next year, and the year after, etc. This is not the exact team they're going to have for the next 5 years. Don't believe everything you read.

I'm glad someone has some sense around here. There is no way one free-agent signing can eradicate 5 years worth of MLE signings.
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Old 07-13-2007, 04:25 PM   #8
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I thought that the 07-08 salaries, salary cap, and luxury tax are all figured out before free agency begins.......so that would mean that the Magic already weren't going to have the MLE and other exceptions because they were under the cap to start the 07-08 offseason.
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Old 07-13-2007, 04:30 PM   #9
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I thought that the 07-08 salaries, salary cap, and luxury tax are all figured out before free agency begins.......so that would mean that the Magic already weren't going to have the MLE and other exceptions because they were under the cap to start the 07-08 offseason.

Can anybody legitimize this claim that under-cap teams don't have a MLE? It just doesn't sound right that a team that is 100k under the cap can't sign someone, but a team that is 100k over the cap can.
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Old 07-13-2007, 04:31 PM   #10
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I'm glad someone has some sense around here. There is no way one free-agent signing can eradicate 5 years worth of MLE signings.

I don't think anybody was saying they'd lose it after this year.
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Old 07-13-2007, 04:33 PM   #11
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All I want to know is how do you get into such negotiations for that gross amount for a player who arguably is not among the 25 best players in the league today.

Tony Dutt is a mothafuggin genius.
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Old 07-13-2007, 04:34 PM   #12
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I don't think anybody was saying they'd lose it after this year.

it wasn't in this particular thread, but someone in another thread quoted some AOL sports article saying that they were losing their MLE for the duration of Lewis' contract, and some other posters kind of agreed.

nevermind it was this thread - at the top in the AOL quote it said

"Now they can sign only minimum-salary players. [...] Once Orlando extends the contracts of [Dwight] Howard and [Jameer] Nelson, the team essentially will be capped out for the next five years. This is their team."
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Old 07-13-2007, 04:40 PM   #13
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Can anybody legitimize this claim that under-cap teams don't have a MLE? It just doesn't sound right that a team that is 100k under the cap can't sign someone, but a team that is 100k over the cap can.


Every team over the salary cap has the ability to use a Mid Level Exception(equal to the average NBA salary).

How ever teams under the cap by large margins(ala this off-season with Orlando), if they want to sign big a money FA (ala this case with Orlando and Rashard), the MLE must be renounced to be able to construct such a deal(as well as other capholds on the roster must be renounced).

And there is zero credence to the claims that the Magic won't have an MLE for the duration of Rashard's contract. Every team over the cap has the ability to use the MID level exception..and the Bi Annual Exception every other year
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Default Re: Orlando's next 5 years

I'd like to add that I'm going to be amazed if the season starts and ALL of these players are still on the roster...

Hidayet Turkoglu
Trevor Ariza
JJ Redick
Carlos Arroyo
Keyon Dooling
Keith Bogans

Simply put... either one or more of these guys HAS to get moved. Because if they're not, one or more of them are going to rot on the bench. Bogans probably will rot no matter what, but there's no way that there are enough minutes to go around for all these guys.

Let's look at it...

PG - Nelson, Arroyo, Dooling (Dooling & Arroyo competing for minutes here)
SG - Redick, Ariza, Dooling, Bogans (Dooling & Ariza competing for minutes here)
SF - Lewis, Turkoglu, Ariza (with Ariza getting no minutes as long as Lewis actually plays SF)

Translation... I truly believe Arroyo, Dooling or Turkoglu is on the way out. Turkoglu & Dooling are the two most attractive pieces we have that we're willing to part with. Turkoglu is a watered down version of Rashard offensively and a slightly beefed up version of Rashard defensively.

Turkoglu & Rashard are just way too similar to hold onto both. I just can't see it making sense.

Of course you can ignore everything I just said and the roster will stay like it is if the Magic plan on being even dumber and playing Rashard at PF. Time will tell.
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Old 07-13-2007, 04:46 PM   #15
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Every team over the salary cap has the ability to use a Mid Level Exception(equal to the average NBA salary).

How ever teams under the cap by large margins(ala this off-season with Orlando), if they want to sign big a money FA (ala this case with Orlando and Rashard), the MLE must be renounced to be able to construct such a deal(as well as other capholds on the roster must be renounced).

And there is zero credence to the claims that the Magic won't have an MLE for the duration of Rashard's contract. Every team over the cap has the ability to use the MID level exception..and the Bi Annual Exception every other year

thank you, and one more question: how much is the Bi Annual Exception for, and why dont we hear more about it?
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