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Old 07-17-2007, 04:30 PM   #1
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Default Official #26 NBA Player Of All Time According To ISH

We are finally through with Insidehoops 100 Greatest players list. The #25 greatest player voting as by inside hoops has completed. Rounding out the top 25, is number 24, Rick Barry. Rick won a title in the ABA in 1969 as an Oakland Oak and years later as a Golden State Warrior. Rick Barry was so good, he produced 3 offspring NBA players. It’s in the blood.

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10 All-NBA/ABA Teams
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2 ABA/NBA Championships






ISH 100 Greatest NBA Players of All-Time

1. Michael Jordan
2. Wilt Chamberlain
3. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
4. Earvin 'Magic' Johnson
5. Larry Bird
6. Bill Russell
7. Shaquille O'Neal
8. Oscar Robertson
9. Hakeem Olajuwon
10. Tim Duncan
11. Jerry West
12. Julius Erving
13. Moses Malone
14. Elgin Baylor
15. Bob Pettit
16. John Havlicek
17. Karl Malone
18. George Mikan
19. David Robinson
20. Isiah Thomas
21. Charles Barkley
22. John Stockton
23. Bob Cousy
24. Kobe Bryant
25. Rick Barry
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Let’s get into the ‘NUMBER 26’ spot ?


Some players to consider:


Walt Frazier
Elvin Hayes
Dolph Schayes
Dave Cowens
George Gervin
Willis Reed
Clyde Drexler
Allen Iverson
Patrick Ewing



#25 Greatest Player Voting
Rick Barry = 17 votes
Scottie Pippen = 11 votes
Gary Payton = 5 votes
Willis Reed = 4 votes
Walt Frazier = 3 votes
Patrick Ewing = 2 votes
Steve Nash = 2 votes
Pete Maravich = 2 votes
Dennis Rodman = 2 votes
Clyde Drexler = 1 vote
Jason Kidd = 1 vote
Allen Iverson = 1 vote
Kevin Garnett = 1 vote


Official #25 NBA Player Of All Time According To ISH

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Old 07-17-2007, 04:33 PM   #2
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Old 07-17-2007, 04:38 PM   #8
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Old 07-17-2007, 04:42 PM   #9
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My vote is for Clyde

Walt 'Clyde' Frazier > Scottie Pippen peoples.

Walt was a great defender (top 2 pg defender ever), could score and dish and was very clutch. He dropped 36 and 19 assist on West in game 7 of the 70 Finals.

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Old 07-17-2007, 04:51 PM   #10
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Gary Payton.

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My vote goes to Gary "The Glove" Payton.

Payton, or "GP", was a very dominant player in the 90's when he was in his prime on the Sonics for most of his career. When people say "dominant", you'd often think of size, power and strength. Payton had that, in terms of a guard's size, and then some. He was a big guard who had a post game and was strong yet still quick. He was very versatile as well, being arguably the most complete point guard ever. There was really nothing he couldn't do. Score, shoot, slash, assist, defend, rebound, steal, he could do it all. He was one of the best point guards back in the mid 90's - early 00's. His numbers were no joke either, averaging career totals of 16.3PPG, 6.7APG, 1.8SPG, 0.729FT%, .466FG%, .317 3PT%, 3.9RPG and only 2.27TPG in 1335 career games on 5 teams. The Sonics, The Bucks, The Celtics, The Lakers and the Heat.

Payton, however, was well known for being a defensive monster. He was a lock down defender with the ability to shut down his opponent and reduce them to low numbers. He once said putting fear into the hearts of the opponent he was guarding was what he loved most about the game of basketball. Quite frankly, Payton was one of the best defensive point guards ever. He didn't have the nickname "The Glove" for nothing. (They called him that because he held his opponent like a baseball in a glove). Payton was also a tenacious theif and pick pocketer, as he averaged a career high 2.9SPG in '96 and racking up 2,445 career steals (3rd all time behind Jordan and Stockton). He has a stealing title and an assist title as well. The great thing about Payton was that he did it all with so little turn overs for a point guard. He was only top 10 in total turnovers in the league twice in his career, which is great for a point guard of his caliber with as many minutes as he got. He is 6th in total career assists. He is the only guard to have won the NBA Defensive Player of the Year award since Michael Jordan in 1988, and he, Pippen, and Duncan share the record for most career NBA All-Defensive First Team selections, with 9. As mentioned, Payton is also a good rebounder, ranking 5th all time for defensive rebounds among guards, 12th in offensive rebounds and 10th in total rebounds for a guard. He's also a very durable player, missing only 11 career games in his 16 NBA seasons. (The 11 games he missed were due to coach's decision or suspensions, never due to injury. Payton often wanted to play even when he was injured.) He was a terrific ball handler, which is a big reason why he didn't turn the ball over much, and was a great pick pocketer and was a smart player, another reason why he didn't turn it over much.

Payton's post game was also very well polished and skilled. He was only 180lbs, yet his 6"4 frame enabled him to post up smaller guards to the rim for easy layups or to create scoring opportunities for others. His back-to-the-basket game is among the greatest all time for a point guard as well, and he is often a mismatch when guarding or scoring on another point guard. He combined strength, speed, passing, shooting, scoring, rebounding, stealing, posting up, durability, intelligence, court awareness and his great leadership qualities to become the player that he was during his great years in the NBA. His durability has enabled him to play 16 seasons and rank highly in many career categories. He is known for playing through all injuries and being relentless on the court. He once played 300 consecutive NBA games at one point during his career. He's set career highs of 44 points, 18 assists and 8 steals (twice) in his career. Payton also finally got his first and only championship in 2005 with the Heat, though he was a backseat player, it's still something worth adding to his resume. (He even had a couple clutch shots in the Finals.)

I personally believe he was a better player than Stockton, Kidd, Frazier, Archibald, Nash, etc. The main reason behind that is due to his overall talent and well-roundedness. His competitive swagger and no nonsence attitude is one of the best ever. Stockton was a great defender back in the day, all time steals leader by a large margin and all, but in terms of actual defensive talent, Payton surpassed him. There was almost nothing he lacked on the defensive end. Though Stockton has already been voted in, however. I'd even rank Payton above a lot of the other available choices in voting. (Reed, Barry, Pippen, Ewing, Frazier, Thurmond, etc). His sheer presence on the game itself at the point guard position was extremely large. He was a game changer, and not just on the defensive end. He could catch fire and score as well. His game was polished, complete and almost undeniable. His career accolades and accomplishments also solidify his spot as a top player. Gary Payton is an NBA Champion, 9-time NBA All-Star, 9-Time All-NBA, 9-Time All-Defensive Team, 2-Time Gold Medal Winner and NBA All-Rookie Team player. He is ranked 21st in total points for his career, as well as 6th in assists, 3rd in steals, 7th in minutes and 8th in games. He is the only player in NBA history to accumulate 20,000 points, 5,000 rebounds, 8,000 assists and 2,000 steals in a career. Though Payton has retired from the game of basketball, his legacy and mark will be left in the NBA in the years to come.

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Old 07-17-2007, 04:58 PM   #14
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Reed and no reason to have Hayes on your "considered" list but not Unseld.

I have 0 idea how Barry got on before Reed - 1 Finals MVP v. 2 Finals MVP's and a regular season MVP. Its just the scoring, right?

Great defender, team player, one of the great leaders in the history of the sport (you make a list, it starts with Russel, and not too far after him is Reed) and an excelent scorer v. an all-time great scorer.

To me, this isn't even hard.

Reed > Pippen, Payton, and certainly Drexler.

If i were starting a team today, I would pick Reed over any of the players already mentioned in this thread and Barry, and kobe, and Barkley and Baylor (how did Baylor get on already)
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