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Old 07-20-2007, 12:33 PM   #31
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it's a NBA ref that is not really known unless you are a hardcore nba fan.
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Old 07-20-2007, 12:37 PM   #32
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wow - this is fricken huge. all the accusations towards the refs the past few years, and now something like this comes out? thats serious, serious trouble for the NBA from a business standpoint.
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Old 07-20-2007, 12:39 PM   #33
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Yeah, after all the ref induced complaining by fans and in the media since Blazers-Lakers, there couldn't be a worse scandal to break.
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Old 07-20-2007, 01:50 PM   #34
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Said the mob had something to do with this.

I don't know my refs very much but wasn't their one that spent a decade infiltrating the mob for the FBI? Bet you he doesn't like this much hah
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Old 07-20-2007, 02:11 PM   #35
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this is going to get huge. It may even be the end of Stern.

here is quick reaction from Mike Fisher at dallasbasketball.com

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We have for years rolled our eyes just a little bit at the conspiracy-theorists’ suggestions – from Mark Cuban on down -- that the NBA could be victimized by an on-the-take ref. Today, our eyes are not rolling. But our minds are reeling.

A referee has for the last two seasons been involved in betting on games and in making calls in games that affected point spreads, says The New York Post in an exclusive story that says the ref is part of an FBI organized-crime probe.

The FBI is reportedly set to arrest the ref and “a cadre of mobsters,’’ reports the paper, adding that the NBA is saying, “We have been asked by the FBI, with whom we are working closely, not to comment on this matter at this time.’’

Chancellor Stern’s office is “working closely with the FBI’’? Oh-oh.

Mavs owner Cuban has for years tossed out little hint-hint notions regarding stuff like this. We’ve always been skeptical. But step away from the Mavs for a moment. Step away from Cuban’s referee-centric actions.

This is the biggest sports story of the year. ... at least. Some assorted thoughts as the NBA, the media, the public, and quite ominously, the FBI, collect facts:

ITEM: The NBA, maybe even all of sports, is going to be rocked to its foundation. We knew a single ref can effect the outcome of a game. And now, assuming the accusations are true, one obviously has. Forever more, if a team receives a bad call in a game (or even a perceived bad call), the anger and distrust rises to a whole new level.

ITEM: True Hoop is calling fixing games “the original sin’’ for a sports league. That’s a solid take.

ITEM: There is a perception that “the NBA was powerless to stop this.’’ Maybe. Unless they just didn’t care. Or maybe were complicit. … and see? We told you the distrust would rise to a whole new level.

ITEM: Which games were affected? Important games? Playoff games? Reader Jeff is the first to joke that, “If you’re trying to figure out the identity of the (unidentified) ref, just look at who worked the Dallas-Miami Finals series. He had to be one of them.’’

ITEM: Or maybe Jeff didn’t mean it as a joke.

ITEM: Fans of “real’’ sports like to make fun of the WWF. We even make fun of the WNBA, because the coverage is “rigged.’’ But what if the NBA doesn’t represent a truly fair playing field?

ITEM: "Cadre of Mobsters.'' Wasn't that an old Edward G. Robinson movie? You know how rarely you see the word "cadre'' in a sports story? I'm a relatively smart boy, and I'm not completely certain how to even pronounce "cadre.''

ITEM: At this moment, as we write this, the story remains a mild curiosity. But this thing will have legs. Without the trust that it’s on the level, basketball as we know it ceases to exist. Seriously, it’s that huge.

ITEM: Can the NBA and Chancellor Stern sit on this? Downplay it? Bury it? We like the “bury it’’ analogy, since it sounds so much like something done in Michael Vick’s backyard.

ITEM: Let’s go back to those specific rigged games. What if a championship – and billions of dollars – were lost? What if if was a Memphis-Milwaukee game that we’d bet on? Can I have my seven bucks refunded?

ITEM: We bet the NBA – and Stern – will make quite a show of dismissing this ref and of “conducting a vigorous in-house investigation.’’ (Can’t you just see him mouthing those exact words?) And we think it won’t be enough. This will require a major fix. … No, not that kind of fix.

ITEM: If there is one dirty ref. … and he’s close buddies with assorted other refs. … and they are a band of brothers. … and they room together, travel together, drink together. … is there ONLY one dirty ref?

ITEM: Are you getting the magnitude of this yet? Baseball dumped Pete Rose for MAYBE betting on baseball. … This is bigger.

ITEM: DirkySouth on DB.com Boards with another good line: Because the story uses the word “he,’’ we assume the dirty ref isn’t a chick.

ITEM: It’ll be fun to monitor ESPN’s coverage of this story, being a corporate partner of the league and all.

ITEM: Over the years, people like Cuban and Jeff Van Gundy and many others have been assessed huge financial penalties for even hinting that a ref might have a bias. Do they get their dough back? Or at least an apology?

ITEM: HakeemFan on DB.com Boards with another doozy: The NBA has always smelled this way, if only because it’s accepted practice to issue “superstar calls,’’ to make “rookies pay their dues,’’ “that’s a make-up call,’’ and the like.

ITEM: David Stern’s historic smugness on this issue now looks more galling than ever. At the All-Star Game in Las Vegas in Feb 2007, Stern said he is not at all worried about games being fixed and that the league is in full control of things. He said a team in Las Vegas doesn't bother the league. It was a very smug declaration. Doesn't this call into question his competence and wisdom?


ITEM: Do you just fire the ref? Or do you also fire the ref’s boss? And his boss? And his? This is happening on Stern's watch as commissioner. And he has repeatedly been quite flippant about ref performance and accountability while focusing on plastic basketballs and baggy jeans. Doesn’t he come across now as having served as "Commissioner of the Titanic"?

ITEM: Cuban's persistent focus on ref performance (and his battles with Stern on that subject) is now amazingly insightful. The work Cuban has done has caused the NBA’s system to improve. Again, he knew SOMETHING all along. (If we heard correctly, he just told The Ticket, “I can’t comment. But you know what I think.’’) What Cuban has always believed is that Bad Refs = Bad Sport. So he’s tried to repair things. The irony here: The person most qualified, because of his history and passion, to lead the NBA into a clean era might just be. … Mark Cuban himself.
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Old 07-20-2007, 02:21 PM   #36
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Depends on which game you are talking about. Game 5 was probably the "worst" one because it was the closest and there were two tough calls - Wade's over/back andHowards' non-timeout. Not going to argue them -- they were just the 2 most contraversial calls of the series + all the wade calls.

Crawford, Derosa, and 1 other were on that one and game 2.

Wade got the most calls in Game 3. I think Javie was on that one. Game 6 had one bad Wade call - and had the same crew as Game 3.

I felt games 1-4 were officiated fairly, although Stack didnt deserve a suspension for his foul on Shaq. Dallas just choked in game 3.

It was games 5 and 6 where all hell broke loose and it got ridiculous.
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Old 07-20-2007, 02:22 PM   #37
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pete rose has never said that he bet against his team. ever.
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Old 07-20-2007, 02:32 PM   #38
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From Salvatore's wiki

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Bennett Salvatore is a NBA official who wears No. 15. He was sentenced in 2000 to a year of probation, 150 hours of community service and a fine of $500 for his role in airline ticket fraud. He plead guilty in a New Haven federal court on July 26, 2000 to filing a false tax return with the Internal Revenue Service for the tax year 1993. [1]. He has been heavily criticized by Mark Cuban and Bill Simmons following his role in the 2006 NBA Finals and for other previous incidents.[citation needed] Salvatore is the principal owner of Bennett's, a steakhouse in Stamford, Connecticut.

Sounds like he's no saint.

My money's on him.
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Old 07-20-2007, 02:41 PM   #39
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Tim Donaghy.

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Old 07-20-2007, 02:56 PM   #40
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and now we all know the reason Dallas lost in the Finals....

the mafia
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Old 07-20-2007, 02:58 PM   #41
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this is just terrible.

hopefully though it will force Stern to wise up and come down on his refs harder for inconsistent reffing.

Actually, I hope it leads to Stern getting canned altogether.

Dude is focusing on baggy jeans and tights when he has dirty refs running around.
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Old 07-20-2007, 03:01 PM   #42
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Donaghy always made such BS calls on the Lakers

I think it will clean up the reffing though :)
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this series is now explained...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fydhtOSlfW0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5y8nI1PPYOk
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Old 07-20-2007, 04:14 PM   #44
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was that donaghy?

cant wait to see all dwhistle fans finally realizing that juuuuust maybe not all of those fouls are legit.
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Old 07-20-2007, 05:10 PM   #45
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Some big changes need to take place. This could be good and bad. Stern needs to go.
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