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Old 07-20-2007, 01:39 PM   #16
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Default Re: Suns Trade Thomas to Seattle

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What the hell are they thinking?
My first reaction, they must be trying to relieve salary before picking up a big contract like Gasol, KG, Kobe, or something like that.

They've given away all their picks for the next 20 seasons for 2nd rounders and future considerations.
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Old 07-20-2007, 01:40 PM   #17
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goddamn this seems like a bad move. two first round picks and thomas for nothing?!?

That's not all. They also gave away James Jones for nothing a few weeks back. How is dumping these two players going to improve the team? I just don't understand these moves they are making.
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Old 07-20-2007, 01:40 PM   #18
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My first reaction, they must be trying to relieve salary before picking up a big contract like Gasol, KG, Kobe, or something like that.

They've given away all their picks for the next 20 seasons for 2nd rounders and future considerations.

my thoughts exactly... can the trade exception be re-used or is it now dead?
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Old 07-20-2007, 01:45 PM   #19
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Default Re: Suns Trade Thomas to Seattle

Got to wait and see who they pick up to replace KT. If they pick up Varejao with the full MLE, this move starts to make sense.


Thomas' problem was that the team couldn't rely on him because of injury concerns, and he didn't have the stamina to play more than 20 mpg. If the Suns replace him with a quality big who doesn't have health concerns, it has to count as an upgrade IMO.
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Old 07-20-2007, 01:46 PM   #20
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Default Re: Suns Trade Thomas to Seattle

You guys aren't responding rationally. This is the real world, and NBA owners spend real money - not Monopoly money. This trade is going to save the Suns nearly $20 million dollars, and allow them to keep Nash, Marion, and Amare together.

It just isn't realistic to lose millions and millions of dollars on the hobby of owning a basketball team every year. The Knicks are able to get away with a high payroll like that, but pretty much every other team in the league has to stay under the luxury tax.

For those of you saying that you would have paid the $20 million to keep Thomas - prove it. Give us an example of a time you spent an enormous amount of money on something you didn't have to. I expect at least 5 or 10 of you to have an answer to that question.
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Old 07-20-2007, 01:47 PM   #21
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Default Re: Suns Trade Thomas to Seattle

phx ownership is damn cheap.

worst move they ever made was letting colangelo go to toronto.

i think they've made ONE good move since they let him walk... and i can't remember what it was at the moment.
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Old 07-20-2007, 01:49 PM   #22
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worst move they ever made was letting colangelo go to toronto.

Pretty sure they didn't 'let' him go, it was his choice because he wanted to seperate himself from his father.
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Old 07-20-2007, 01:49 PM   #23
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Got to wait and see who they pick up to replace KT. If they pick up Varejao with the full MLE, this move starts to make sense.


Thomas' problem was that the team couldn't rely on him because of injury concerns, and he didn't have the stamina to play more than 20 mpg. If the Suns replace him with a quality big who doesn't have health concerns, it has to count as an upgrade IMO.

They aren't going to be spending the MLE on anyone. They made this move to get under the lux cap and not have to trade away Marion.
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Old 07-20-2007, 01:49 PM   #24
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If I were a Suns fan, I'd be right now. Basically, the Suns gave up two future 1st rounders and an expiring contract so some cheapskate billionaire didn't have to pay (what it's like for him) pennies this year. Nevermind that having a sucky team will make renevues go down, thus resulting in probably losing more than $10 million in the long run. But, CEOs are paid to sign checks and play golf, so logic is beyond them.

Better hope Nash can take you to the promised land, because you have no future...
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Old 07-20-2007, 01:50 PM   #25
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Got to wait and see who they pick up to replace KT. If they pick up Varejao with the full MLE, this move starts to make sense.


Thomas' problem was that the team couldn't rely on him because of injury concerns, and he didn't have the stamina to play more than 20 mpg. If the Suns replace him with a quality big who doesn't have health concerns, it has to count as an upgrade IMO.
Isn't Varejao a RFA though. I've heard Cleveland will match all offers.

You're right that we'll have to see what they do to replace, but this just stinks to me.

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My first reaction, they must be trying to relieve salary before picking up a big contract like Gasol, KG, Kobe, or something like that.

Not happening. The Suns have traded away all draft picks except for ATL's 08pick, and have now dumped their biggest expirer to get down to the cap level. They won't be taking back another huge deal, and they don't have the bargaining chips anymore to get a big name player.
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Old 07-20-2007, 01:51 PM   #26
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Thomas could shoot! damn
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Old 07-20-2007, 01:53 PM   #27
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Right there is where you're wrong, and that invalidates your entire post. A professional basketball team isn't a "hobby". It's a business. It generates revenue. It makes money. Tickets aren't free. Merchandise isn't free.

I saw an article in ESPN the Magazine here recently about how much cash the Cavaliers are making right now. They went from like $75 million in revenue before LeBron to like $300 million in revenue now. That is some serious bucks being made by the owners.

You need to invest money to make money in business. The Suns owner is a moron. And Suns fans have every right to be pissed. When the Suns owner looks around in a few years and is like, "Where are the fans? Why is nobody coming to our games or buying our stuff?" he can look back to this off season and see why.

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You guys aren't responding rationally. This is the real world, and NBA owners spend real money - not Monopoly money. This trade is going to save the Suns nearly $20 million dollars, and allow them to keep Nash, Marion, and Amare together.

It just isn't realistic to lose millions and millions of dollars on the hobby of owning a basketball team every year. The Knicks are able to get away with a high payroll like that, but pretty much every other team in the league has to stay under the luxury tax.

For those of you saying that you would have paid the $20 million to keep Thomas - prove it. Give us an example of a time you spent an enormous amount of money on something you didn't have to. I expect at least 5 or 10 of you to have an answer to that question.

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Old 07-20-2007, 02:01 PM   #28
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Default Re: Suns Trade Thomas to Seattle

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You guys aren't responding rationally. This is the real world, and NBA owners spend real money - not Monopoly money. This trade is going to save the Suns nearly $20 million dollars, and allow them to keep Nash, Marion, and Amare together.

It just isn't realistic to lose millions and millions of dollars on the hobby of owning a basketball team every year. The Knicks are able to get away with a high payroll like that, but pretty much every other team in the league has to stay under the luxury tax.

For those of you saying that you would have paid the $20 million to keep Thomas - prove it. Give us an example of a time you spent an enormous amount of money on something you didn't have to. I expect at least 5 or 10 of you to have an answer to that question.



Wow! Strong lack of general business or economics knowledge. Do you have any idea how much revenue the Suns pulled in last year? If Sarver is doing this nickel and dime BS NOW, while the Suns are winning, imagine how bad it will be if they start losing.
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Old 07-20-2007, 02:09 PM   #29
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The Suns are not hurting financially right now.

With the teams they have trotted out there the last 3 years, and including two deep runs in the playoffs, and including sales merchandise, the Suns have made great money.
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Old 07-20-2007, 02:15 PM   #30
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It just isn't realistic to lose millions and millions of dollars on the hobby of owning a basketball team every year. The Knicks are able to get away with a high payroll like that, but pretty much every other team in the league has to stay under the luxury tax.

Problem is, the Suns have been one of the most profitable teams in the league the last three years, and next season would be the first time they're paying the luxury tax.

When they sold their draft pick in each of the last two years, the excuse was that they were loading up to pay the lux tax so that they could compete for a title.



If they replace KT with nothing, I doubt us fans will be too happy.

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