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Old 07-20-2007, 01:16 PM   #31
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suns are trying to save money, which is smart bc they will want to make another move or two soon. thomas is old, cant play a whole season, had a big contract, doesn't fit into the run and gun. they signed grant hill which was huge, got a couple good draft picks this year. they are fine. i love how everyone acts like kurt thomas was good. he had like 1 good game against duncan, bfd. he's a slow hack. oh yea, and don't forget, they have atlantas pick next year which will be top 5
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Old 07-20-2007, 01:20 PM   #32
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Good Trade For The Sonics IF STEVE NASH GETS INJURED THE SUNS ARE NOT THAT GOOD.

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Old 07-20-2007, 01:21 PM   #33
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suns are trying to save money, which is smart bc they will want to make another move or two soon. thomas is old, cant play a whole season, had a big contract, doesn't fit into the run and gun. they signed grant hill which was huge, got a couple good draft picks this year. they are fine. i love how everyone acts like kurt thomas was good. he had like 1 good game against duncan, bfd. he's a slow hack. oh yea, and don't forget, they have atlantas pick next year which will be top 5


Don't forget that the draft picks usually don't get playing time..Grant Hill has been on the injured list for the last 7 years.
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Old 07-20-2007, 01:22 PM   #34
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Watch Nash break his back in the second game of the season and the sonics end up with a top 10 pick. This move is horrible, now they are 6 men deep and have nothing to look foward to after nash retires.
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Old 07-20-2007, 01:25 PM   #35
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In five years from now the suns are going to suffer massively from giving away all these first rounders. I think this might be just the worst deal they've made yet though. Giving up two first rounders just to dump a player, makes no sense to me.
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Don't forget that the draft picks usually don't get playing time..Grant Hill has been on the injured list for the last 7 years.
he was faking all those injuries to ensure he'd be fresh for this upcoming season
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Old 07-20-2007, 01:33 PM   #37
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They went from like $75 million in revenue before LeBron to like $300 million in revenue now. That is some serious bucks being made by the owners.
Revenue does not equal profit.
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A professional basketball team isn't a "hobby". It's a business. It generates revenue. It makes money. Tickets aren't free. Merchandise isn't free.
Only half of the teams in the league turn an operating profit. It's a hobby, plain and simple. An individual with a net worth of a half billion dollars can get a much much higher return on their equity by not owning a basketball team. They choose to own a team not because they're really stupid, but because it's fun for them.
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Wow! Strong lack of general business or economics knowledge.
Do you have any idea who you're talking to?

Why have none of the Sarver bashers responded with an example of when they spent an enormous amount of money on something they didn't have to?
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Old 07-20-2007, 01:37 PM   #38
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Revenue does not equal profit.
Only half of the teams in the league turn an operating profit. It's a hobby, plain and simple. An individual with a net worth of a half billion dollars can get a much much higher return on their equity by not owning a basketball team. They choose to own a team not because they're really stupid, but because it's fun for them.
Do you have any idea who you're talking to?

Why have none of the Sarver bashers responded with an example of when they spent an enormous amount of money on something they didn't have to?

OH man thank you on SOOOOOO many different angles.
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Old 07-20-2007, 01:37 PM   #39
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Damn, imagine this HYPOTHETICAL situation.....Nash gets injured, out for the year, Suns pick ends up in the top 5, and Sonics end up with Derrick Rose. Sick

But seriously, what the hell are the Suns doing and why didn't the Clippers jump at this chance! Maggette for that package could have been done, or even Timmy as he excelled greatly in Phoenix.
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Old 07-20-2007, 01:39 PM   #40
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Damn, imagine this HYPOTHETICAL situation.....Nash gets injured, out for the year, Suns pick ends up in the top 5, and Sonics end up with Derrick Rose. Sick

But seriously, what the hell are the Suns doing and why didn't the Clippers jump at this chance! Maggette for that package could have been done, or even Timmy as he excelled greatly in Phoenix.

Going to take a lot more than 1 injury to land the Suns in the bottom 5.

Anyway how many 1st round picks in a row have the Suns dumped for cash now ? 5 or so ?
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Going to take a lot more than 1 injury to land the Suns in the bottom 5.

Anyway how many 1st round picks in a row have the Suns dumped for cash now ? 5 or so ?

Nash is the team, without Nash, they'll be in the middle of the pack, and if they miss the playoffs, anything is possible, and on top of that, I'm guessing you don't know what hypothetical means? Oh well.
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Old 07-20-2007, 01:44 PM   #42
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"Attendance rose 8% and the team hosted eight lucrative home playoff games helping the Suns earn the highest operating profit in the NBA last season, $40 million."

http://www.forbes.com/lists/2005/32/321064.html

This is for 2004-2005, which are the most recent numbers I could find.

Yes, I do know who I am talking to...someone who doesn't know what they are talking about. Sarver is making his fair share of cash from the Suns. This nickel and dime stuff is crap.

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Revenue does not equal profit.
Only half of the teams in the league turn an operating profit. It's a hobby, plain and simple. An individual with a net worth of a half billion dollars can get a much much higher return on their equity by not owning a basketball team. They choose to own a team not because they're really stupid, but because it's fun for them.
Do you have any idea who you're talking to?

Why have none of the Sarver bashers responded with an example of when they spent an enormous amount of money on something they didn't have to?
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Old 07-20-2007, 01:47 PM   #43
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Don't forget that the draft picks usually don't get playing time..Grant Hill has been on the injured list for the last 7 years.

Grant Hill played 65 games last year and I think the Suns will be happy if he can play 50 during the season and be healthy for the playoffs.

PG - Nash/Barbosa/Banks
SG - Bell/Barbosa/Strawberry(if he signs)
SF - Hill/Diaw/Tucker
PF - Marion/Diaw
C - Amare/Diaw/Burke

This is no worse than last years squad, with Barbosa, Diaw, and Amare all having another year of valuable experience under thier belts.

If they can score someone like Hibbert or Thabeet with Atlanta's pick next year to play center and let Amare and Marion to shift to PF and SF respectivley they will be in even better shape next year.

Also, you have to remember that even if the team starts to nosedive, barring MAJOR injuries, all thier key pieces are infinately tradable for young assets and draft picks. All thier key players would make great additions to any team making serious playoff runs. The only one that doesn't play multiple positions is Nash and he may be the best passing PG in the league.
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"Attendance rose 8% and the team hosted eight lucrative home playoff games helping the Suns earn the highest operating profit in the NBA last season, $40 million."
What does that have to do with what I responded to? You tried to make it seem like the Cavs were making $300 million, and I said revenue does not equal profit.

The Suns and some other teams do turn an operating profit, but a lot of other teams do not. It isn't easy to turn a profit in pro sports, and plenty of teams are suffering heavy losses year to year. The return on invested capital (initial purchase + capex/salaries) for an NBA owner is much lower than what they could acheive by buying any number of other businesses or marketable securities.

They don't owe it to you to lose money, even if ownership is fun.
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