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Old 07-13-2006, 04:56 PM   #16
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marbury isnt you allen iverson buddy...iverson can give huge boost to the offense that is already the best in the leagure, plus the floor is spread so much that if they double him he can just pass it right out and they have so many fnishers, if they dont double them then they are done, either way tey would be much better plus defensivly, iverson is much better than nash at defense and is great at deflecting passes. Iverson can also just drive it into the paint faster and just throw it to marion or amare for teh monster jam instead of having to throw it out to the free throw line to webber each time he drives in. He would have so many more assist than what he is getting right now. plus, back in marbury's day, amare wasnt at the level at which he is right now and teh team would just perform much better now with more experience overall. philly on the other hand would be much worse than the raptors.

How does a team stop that??? Someone explain to me???? There are also much better on defense too
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Old 07-13-2006, 04:57 PM   #17
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Can't you say the exact same thing for the Sixers, except Philly is MUCH worse without AI than Phoenix is without Nash IMO (If Amare is around)

already giving disclaimers to your so called point.....jackass
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Old 07-13-2006, 04:58 PM   #18
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I cant really say what effect Iverson would have on the Suns (prolly not as good as Nash because is practically the perfect player for that team)


But Nash wouldnt help the 6ers get better unless he brought some defense with him....I figure Nash would distribute better than Allen and that would be a way to make up for at least half of the pts AI scores, but defense is the real problem on the sixers...

Can Nash effect that
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Old 07-13-2006, 05:01 PM   #19
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marbury isnt you allen iverson buddy...iverson can give huge boost to the offense that is already the best in the leagure, plus the floor is spread so much that if they double him he can just pass it right out and they have so many fnishers, if they dont double them then they are done, either way tey would be much better plus defensivly, iverson is much better than nash at defense and is great at deflecting passes. Iverson can also just drive it into the paint faster and just throw it to marion or amare for teh monster jam instead of having to throw it out to the free throw line to webber each time he drives in. He would have so many more assist than what he is getting right now. plus, back in marbury's day, amare wasnt at the level at which he is right now and teh team would just perform much better now with more experience overall. philly on the other hand would be much worse than the raptors.

your logic is on par with your spelling.

All those things exist because of Nash and not independent of him, take him away and the whole thing fails, they were sheeit when he got there, he made them a winner.

Take Nash away and the Suns as we saw this year and last don't exist.
This fact makes your whole argument useless

Why do you think people who actually watch and report on the game gave him back to back MVPs?????
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already giving disclaimers to your so called point.....jackass

No look what happened at the end of the year when AI went down, Philly completely lost their playoff spot without him by losing like 5 straight. The full Phoenix team without Nash is better than the full Philly team without AI is the point i'm trying to make, and i stand by that point.
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I cant really say what effect Iverson would have on the Suns (prolly not as good as Nash because is practically the perfect player for that team)


But Nash wouldnt help the 6ers get better unless he brought some defense with him....I figure Nash would distribute better than Allen and that would be a way to make up for at least half of the pts AI scores, but defense is the real problem on the sixers...

Can Nash effect that

Look up, a logical argument, Defense is Nash's achilles heel, luckily for him he is on a team that tries to out gun everyone making defense a semi-moot point, hence not doing too much damage to the Suns.
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Old 07-13-2006, 05:06 PM   #22
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No look what happened at the end of the year when AI went down, Philly completely lost their playoff spot without him by losing like 5 straight. The full Phoenix team without Nash is better than the full Philly team without AI is the point i'm trying to make, and i stand by that point.

Go look at Phoenix's record last year(04-05) without Nash, despite Amare, JJ, and Matrix being in the line up. THEY WERE HORRIBLE, ALL THOSE ALL STARS YET HORRIBLE, THAT IS WHY HE IS THE MVP, INTANGIBLES THAT AI'S INDIVIDUAL SKILL SET COULD NOT BRING.
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Look up, a logical argument, Defense is Nash's achilles heel, luckily for him he is on a team that tries to out gun everyone making defense a semi-moot point, hence not doing too much damage to the Suns.

Suns wont ever win a title without defense...The run and gun stuff is nice and fun to look at, but they wont get a ring like that...
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You are really arrogant for not knowing much about ball.

You say the floor being spread is dependent on the ball moving. Well Nash is as ball dominant as any point guard in the league, he doesn’t always shoot but the ball is in his hands making plays as it would be in iverson’s hands. Also the floor being spread for phoenix was a result of their offense. Marion, TT, RB, Diaw can all shot out to the 3 point line. Since their shooting range wont change I doubt floor spacing would change.

Defenders might not think Iverson is as much of a threat to set up teammates but why does that matter??? Iverson is more of a threat to score which draws attention setting up teammates.

How can Marbury be you barometer when he has so many other issues that have effected his teams negatively like a bad attitude that made phoenix players want to leave. Plus marbury has only been a point for two years and I believe he was top 10 in assits this year also.

Plus you AI doesn’t bring intangibles he went to Finals with complete bums. Nash couldn’t make it with Marion, Amare whoring Duncan , and amazing shooters. Then je lost to soft fricken Mavs. I know raja bell was apart of both teams but that raja bell was rookie without his current jumper.

Another thing is Phoenix doesnt have to play the SAME STYLE. They could try DEFENSE. They have the players if AI is there

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JtotheIzzo is kind of a fanatic, but he's right.

Iverson would stagnate Pheonix's offense while not improving their defense and probably cause chemistry problems due to the shots he would take from the other players.

Nash on Philly would make them marginally better offensively, but doesn't improve their defense/rebounding which is where they really need help.
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your logic is on par with your spelling.

All those things exist because of Nash and not independent of him, take him away and the whole thing fails, they were sheeit when he got there, he made them a winner.

Take Nash away and the Suns as we saw this year and last don't exist.
This fact makes your whole argument useless

Why do you think people who actually watch and report on the game gave him back to back MVPs?????

they gave him back to back mvp's because of his skills on the offense i am aware of that, but allen iverson can do that anyday if you place that type of talent around him, he took at team to the finals before, and that was a worse team than this, it just goes to show that if you put some pecies around him he will make it happen, he cant just do it all on his own... and if iverson went there he would make it work aswell because he can obviously pass and if he has some players with talent around him he wont have to take 25- 30 shots per game. He is forced to take that many shots when the second best player on teh team stands in one spot for the whole game shooting jumpshots.
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For those of you who think Nash is a spare part who can easily be replaced or improved upon think 04/05 season (in bold, things that Nash may be better at providing his team than AI):

The Suns posted a 31-5 record before Nash went down with an injury in the first half of their next game. The Suns lost their next three games without their leader. After Nash returned, however, the team won four of five, and eight of their next nine. The Suns finished the season with an NBA-best 62-20 record, a 33-game improvement from the previous season.

As the Suns' starting point guard and a veteran among youngsters, Nash was the discernible leader of the team's dramatic turnaround. While he averaged a modest 15.5 points per game, his field-goal shooting percentage was remarkable: 50.2%, a career high, and a rare figure for a guard. Equally impressive were his 11.5 assists per game, a career best and the best in the NBA; no one else had more than 9. The last player to average more was John Stockton with 12.3 APG in 1995. Nash's numbers affirmed his status as an unselfish, "pass first" player. Nash also ranked sixth in the league in both three-point percentage (43.1%) and free throw percentage (88.7%). Nash also ranked third in the NBA in double-double totals a statistic traditionally dominated by big men with high rebounding numbers
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they gave him back to back mvp's because of his skills on the offense i am aware of that, but allen iverson can do that anyday if you place that type of talent around him, he took at team to the finals before, and that was a worse team than this, it just goes to show that if you put some pecies around him he will make it happen, he cant just do it all on his own... and if iverson went there he would make it work aswell because he can obviously pass and if he has some players with talent around him he wont have to take 25- 30 shots per game. He is forced to take that many shots when the second best player on teh team stands in one spot for the whole game shooting jumpshots.

Is that why the Suns improved by 33 games the FIRST year Nash was there????

C'mon dude, quit hating
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This has become tiresome

It's like teaching special Ed
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Is that why the Suns improved by 33 games the FIRST year Nash was there????

C'mon dude, quit hating

im not hating, all im saying is that put those same pecies of talent around ai and he would take them to teh championship the first year, im not denying that nash has turned this whole orginization around, or saying that he is a bad player, all i am saying si that ai could win those mvp titles and the championship. Look at the roster that philly had teh year ai won mvp and took them to the finals nd compare it to what nash has and you'll see...sure he has made them signifigantly improve in the regular season but they havent even gone to the finals yet, if ai were there they would get in for sure..
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