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Old 07-14-2006, 11:44 AM   #61
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But thats not true.... the truth is this: The Sixers MUST improve. the reality is that Billy King is willing to trade Iverson to do it. He wont trade Iverson just for the sake of trading him. But if the proper deal can be made, the sixers will make it. If not, then Iverson will be a 76er next season.

You never know when Iverson will start to age. Personally I think he has a few years before age starts to catch up with him, but it could happen very fast. I would trade him while he still has value.
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Old 07-14-2006, 11:53 AM   #62
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You never know when Iverson will start to age. Personally I think he has a few years before age starts to catch up with him, but it could happen very fast. I would trade him while he still has value.

as long as the trade makes the team better than it is now, Im all for it. No need to accept garbage for AI tho. He averaged 33 & 7 last year. He is still a great player, and if other teams dont wanna give value for him, we should keep him.
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Old 07-14-2006, 11:53 AM   #63
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you're gettin carried away here...

unless Nash could improve the sixer defense, he wouldnt make the sixers a better team....6ers already can score with any team in the league... just need to stop people on defense...

Suns would have beaten Dallas this year if they could stop somebody once in while. But they cant. and thats the reason why they'll never make the finals or win a title..

Fans keep hoping that a run & gun fun team like phoenix will win and change the way teams build for success, but it will never happen as long as they neglect the other end of the floor....

I know I am gettin carried away, but it is exhausting dealing with people who live in a land of 'ifs' and 'buts'. You are one of the only people on the AI side who bring logic into this argument, and even though I don't totally agree, I can at least get the feeling you understand the game.

People who think the Suns would have won this year if Iverson played instead of Nash are FALKIN CRAZY...OR FALKIN RETARDED...OR PART OF AI's ENTOURAGE. That is why I am goin off.

New HBO show this fall 'Entourage Philly' (think Entourage but with CSI's ability to relocate)

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Old 07-14-2006, 12:30 PM   #64
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Wow Iverson fans are idiots. Not that we didn't already know that.

Philly w/Nash would still lose to Detroit, and probably Miami, but they would be in the group right behind them. They would be like a poor man's Phoenix.

Iggy=Marion without the rebounds
Korver=Raja with less defense and waaaay better shooting
Webber=bigger, slower Diaw
Dalembert=ummm…Kurt Thomas but bigger, faster and dumber
Salmons=on welfare man's Diaw
Hunter 05-06=Hunter 04-05

Those guys would be at least as good as the Nets or Cavs IMO. Like the Suns though, they would be dead tired becuase of their lack of depth.

Iverson requires an extremely specific kind of team around him. The only team that he could probably fit in well right now is Chicago, but Skiles would hate him anyways.
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Old 07-14-2006, 12:35 PM   #65
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We already can score, just cant stop other teams from scoring..

Defense is all but irrelavant when it comes to steve nash led teams...at least in the regular season. He's been apart of some of the worse defensive teams with Dallas and now PHX. They beat teams by being way more efficent and getting more possesions. They don't stand around after a team scores, they attack at all times...they thrive in shootouts. There is no doubt in my mind that Steve would improve Philly. They already have great offensive options in Webber, Korver, and Iggy. Add that with steve's efficiency/creativity plus the fact they're in a inferior conference, and you've got a winner.
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Old 07-14-2006, 12:39 PM   #66
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Wow Iverson fans are idiots. Not that we didn't already know that.

Philly w/Nash would still lose to Detroit, and probably Miami, but they would be in the group right behind them. They would be like a poor man's Phoenix.

Iggy=Marion without the rebounds
Korver=Raja with less defense and waaaay better shooting
Webber=bigger, slower Diaw
Dalembert=ummm…Kurt Thomas but bigger, faster and dumber
Salmons=on welfare man's Diaw
Hunter 05-06=Hunter 04-05

Those guys would be at least as good as the Nets or Cavs IMO. Like the Suns though, they would be dead tired becuase of their lack of depth.

How would Nash fix our real deficiency, which is defense?

Somebody please address this question...

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Iverson requires an extremely specific kind of team around him. The only team that he could probably fit in well right now is Chicago, but Skiles would hate him anyways.

All Iverson would need is a big man who can play with his back to the basket, play the post game and draw a double...... He would also need a team that plays some defense...

Webber isnt that guy because he doesnt play the post game anymore...he shoots jumpers from the elbow...his passing is great, but he doesnt have any lift in his legs and it makes him almost useless inside.....
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Old 07-14-2006, 12:46 PM   #67
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Defense is all but irrelavant when it comes to steve nash led teams...at least in the regular season. He's been apart of some of the worse defensive teams with Dallas and now PHX. They beat teams by being way more efficent and getting more possesions. They don't stand around after a team scores, they attack at all times...they thrive in shootouts. There is no doubt in my mind that Steve would improve Philly. They already have great offensive options in Webber, Korver, and Iggy.

Defense wins titles.....Defense wins titles.....

the sixers already can score with Iverson on the team...We averaged 100 plus points a game last year. Stopping people is the problem

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Add that with steve's efficiency/creativity plus the fact they're in a inferior conference, and you've got a winner.

What Steve won that Iverson hasnt? an extra MVP? You dont win anything (a championship) in the NBA without playing defense...Its not a coincidence that Dallas goes to the finals and whips Phoenix behind on the way as soon as get serious about playing D.

Even in the inferior conference (the conference that won 2 of the last 3 titles btw) defense matters...

again Nash wont help us if he cant improve the defense on this team
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Old 07-14-2006, 01:04 PM   #68
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How would Nash fix our real deficiency, which is defense?

He wouldn't. But he would make the offense MUCH more efficient and just plain better, and that alone would do a lot. You talk as if the Sixers offense was some Kobe fcukin steak when it's just a nice hamburger.
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Old 07-14-2006, 01:07 PM   #69
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He wouldn't. But he would make the offense MUCH more efficient and just plain better, and that alone would do a lot. You talk as if the Sixers offense was some Kobe fcukin steak when it's just a nice hamburger.

Great beef analogy

Is it too early to bbq?
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Old 07-14-2006, 01:11 PM   #71
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He wouldn't. But he would make the offense MUCH more efficient and just plain better, and that alone would do a lot. You talk as if the Sixers offense was some Kobe fcukin steak when it's just a nice hamburger.

Like I already mentioned, 6ers averaged about 100 pts a game last year....

Once your team can score 100 pts at will, you already have enough offense. Whats the difference between averaging 101 pts a game as opposed to 110 pts a game?

the answer is: there is no difference if your team plays defense.

sixers gave up more pts than they scored..thats a problem. instead giving up 100+ pts a game, get it donw to 90 pts a game and our problems are solved...

Unless Nash can help keep the opponents score down, he wouldnt help
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Defense wins titles.....Defense wins titles.....

Sure, but the point is Nash would take the 6ers further than iverson.

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What Steve won that Iverson hasnt? an extra MVP? You dont win anything (a championship) in the NBA without playing defense...Its not a coincidence that Dallas goes to the finals and whips Phoenix behind on the way as soon as get serious about playing D.

I'm not saying he'd lead them to a title. But he would easily get them into the playoffs where they should win at least 1 series.


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again Nash wont help us if he cant improve the defense on this team

He dosen't have to. Just improve on an already solid offense. Which he would. Just so you know, Phoenix gave up more points than philly did. They win games by being more efficent and getting more possesions. And other than Detrioit(whose defense was overated this year) who plays defense in the east?
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Once your team can score 100 pts at will, you already have enough offense. Whats the difference between averaging 101 pts a game as opposed to 110 pts a game?

I don't know for sure, I'm just guessing, but, oh, 16 games?

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sixers gave up more pts than they scored..thats a problem. instead giving up 100+ pts a game, get it donw to 90 pts a game and our problems are solved...

Or, you know, you could just score more.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/statis...r=true&split=0

^The Sixers were 8th in scoring, 10th in FG% and only 17th in adjusted FG%.

They have a TON of room to grow offensively. A team with Nash, Iggy, Korver and Webber on it would immediately be top-3 in every category offensively.
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Sure, but the point is Nash would take the 6ers further than iverson.

he'd win us a championship? Because thats the only thing Iverson hasnt done here in philly.......



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I'm not saying he'd lead them to a title. But he would easily get them into the playoffs where they should win at least 1 series.

You are fooling yourself if you think you can put Nash on the sixers and not address the defensive problems and the sixers would easily make the playoffs...It would be a struggle with this team




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He dosen't have to. Just improve on an already solid offense. Which he would. Just so you know, Phoenix gave up more points than philly did. They win games by being more efficent and getting more possesions. And other than Detrioit(whose defense was overated this year) who plays defense in the east?

You say Phoenix gave up more pts than us like its an impressive stat .... Thats not a good thing..We dont need more pts scored against us. Like I said earlier, its the reason phoenix will never win anything... Sure the run & fun type has fans saying 'wow!'.....but you saw what happened when a team the plays on both sides of the ball comes to play...they win...

cant just play half the game....you gotta play defense too...
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Or, you know, you could just score more.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/statis...r=true&split=0

^The Sixers were 8th in scoring, 10th in FG% and only 17th in adjusted FG%.

They have a TON of room to grow offensively. A team with Nash, Iggy, Korver and Webber on it would immediately be top-3 in every category offensively.

Like I keep saying, you can manipulate the offense all you want, and the offense can be a pretty as a prom queen...efficiency numbers can be sky high...but what is the point when your players dont bother to play the other half of the game?

its a waste of time if you dont address the defense..... and that is our main problem...Philly has been to the 1st, 2nd, conference, and finals in the past 5 years...

We need a championship, not a run & gun team that gets knocked out as soon as the playoffs start(if the fun & gun team even makes the postseason)
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