the only ppl saying kobe are the ones too young to remember jordan's 88 season and what he did
Agreed. Or basically anyone who says Kobe is beacuse they have at most been watching NBA ball for 6-8 years. If they have been watching it for longer, this thread wouldn't exist because it's such an obvious answer that it is Jordan.
Here are a couple of posts of mine on this topic from another board that should let you know where I stand:
No question Kobe's played his best ball the past couple of seasons; yet he still pales in comparison. Here are Kobe's numbers from the past 3 seasons since he's been the first option (sorry, but I'm not going to act as if the 2005 season never happened like many Kobe fans do) and Jordan's 3 years from age 25-28:
44.9% FG (.3% below league average during that span)
26.6 EFF (one 10th, one 5th, and one 2nd place finish; 5.1 EFF above league average
25.8 PER (one 8th, one 3rd, and one 5th place finish; an average of 2.1 PER above 10th place PER finisher in that span)
113 ORtg (6 above league average)
108 DRtg (2 above league average; N.B. - this is bad)
Net O/DRtg: +4 above league average
53.4% FG (5.8% above league average during that span)
34.8 EFF (two 1st place and one 2nd place finish; 10.6 EFF above league average)
31.3 PER (three 1st place finishes; an average of 8.6 PER above 10th place PER finisher in that span)
124 ORtg (16 above league average)
104 DRtg (4 below league average)
Net O/DRtg: +20 above league average
So yeah...draw your own conclusions. Kobe's awesome, but it's not really as close as some people would like to make it seem. No matter where you look there are sizeable disparities between them. Also note that the only reason Kobe's EFF is as good as it is relative to his peers is because he plays significantly more minutes than Jordan did (2 more mpg on average than Jordan during the years in question); this is reflected in the minute-adjusted PER values. Kobe's 40.9 mpg vs. Jordan's 38.9 mpg does make a difference, believe it or not; for instance, here are Jordan's numbers taken at 40.9 mpg and Kobe's numbers again:
25-28 yr old Jordan per 40.9 mpg:
25-28 yr old Kobe per 40.9 mpg:
So...yeah. Let's please end this "discussion." Kobe's good enough on his own -- no need to try and make him into something he's not and never really has been.
Kobe's best season (2006) doesn't even crack Jordan's top 8 seasons statistically. I have to laugh at the poster who said that it's basically a "pick 'em" between the two, and that any difference is attributable to the quality of their teammates. This ignores the fact that Jordan was significantly better than Kobe even before he got a good team around him. It's just a joke, really. I'd have thought my long post would have destroyed the will of all Kobe groopies, but this guy is apparently a special case. So here's what I'll do. We'll take Kobe's best year (2006) and compare it to Jordan's 7th or 8th best statistical season. We'll take per 40 minute numbers to simplify calculations:
2006 Kobe per 40:
Net O/DRtg vs. league average: +9
1987 Jordan per 40:
Net O/DRtg vs. league average: +13
And this was Jordan's 7th or 8th worst statistical season, and it's still better than Kobe's best in every respect. So imagine Kobe stringing together 7-8 seasons in a row as good or better than his 2006 season and you'll have an idea of the level Jordan was at. Jordan's best Net O/DRtg relative to league average was a staggering +24. Kobe's best season was +12 (and it was in 2000; in 2006, widely considered Kobe's best season, he was only +9).
For comparison, Jordan had 10 seasons better than +13, including 8 seasons between +17-24. In fact, Jordan's average net O/DRtg upon retirement in 1998 (11 full seasons) was +18.1 -- and Kobe's never even had a single season better than 67% of that.