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Old 08-13-2007, 06:01 PM   #31
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It's a pity that Maravich might get this spot mainly due to such a variety of picks. I can't go against what I've been doing, though, and that is voting for the greatest player available. That's not an easy task now, but I'm sure it's not Pistol Pete.

Other than Maravich, here are the NBA's 50 Greatest who still haven't been put on this list:

Paul Arizin
Dave Bing
Dave DeBusschere
Hal Greer
Jerry Lucas
Earl Monroe
Robert Parish
Bill Sharman
Lenny Wilkens
James Worthy

Every one of them was better than Maravich. They were better all-around players who weren't selfish and who won. Even Bing won a lot more than Maravich did.

Anyhow, I vote for Hal Greer.

Greer was a great all-around player. He was only 6'2", but could play forward if needed, as well as point. He averaged 5 RPG for his career and as high as 7.4 RPG one season. He averaged 4 APG for his career and had a couple seasons averaging at least 5 APG. He was also a scorer (8 20+ PPG seasons)and a great shooter (2nd in the league in FG% one season). All sources say his defense was solid. Some say he was a better defender than Sam Jones, as well as a better player overall.

He was incredibly consistent over his career of 15 seasons. His team made the playoffs for 13 consecutive seasons. He played with greats Dolph Schayes, Wilt Chamberlain and Billy Cunningham. He played his entire career with the same franchise--the Syracuse Nats who moved and were renamed the Philadelphia 76ers.

Greer was vital to dethrowning the Celtics dynasty in 1967. Back in 1959, Greer was part of one of the dynasty's greatest scares when the Nats took the Celtics to 7 games in the Division Finals. They faced the Celtics again in the Division Finals in 1961.

Then in 1965 Chamberlain and Greer led the 76ers to take the Celtics to 7 again in the Division Finals. In 1967, with the emergence of Cunningham, Walker, etc., they beat them. Greer would face the Celtics dynasty in the playoffs twice more in his career.

Greer was huge in the 1967 playoffs. He averaged 27.7 PPG, 5.9 RPG and 5.3 APG. He also played about 46 MPG. Chamberlain had some off moments during the playoffs, too. Greer became the team's leading scorer over Chamberlain in the 1967 playoffs.

There was no Finals MVP in 1967; if there were, Greer would have been it. Thurmond, of the Warriors, did a lot to neutralize Chamberlain that series. Wilt had games of 16, 10, and 10 points again. Great rebounding numbers, but Thurmond had that, too. Greer, on the other hand, had games of 32, 30 and 38 points, in addition to his usual great all-around play.
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Old 08-13-2007, 06:12 PM   #32
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I have no problem with Hal but....

Wilt averaged 18 points, 29 rebounds, and 7 assists on 56% shooting in the 67 finals to Greers 26, 8, and 6 on 39% shooting. I think Wilt wins that finals MVP.
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Old 08-13-2007, 08:01 PM   #33
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Horrible List

Hal Greer deserves in by now
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Old 08-13-2007, 10:07 PM   #34
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Old 08-13-2007, 10:44 PM   #35
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double at the T-Mac votes and Maravich votes. and more at BULLS voting for Carter.


Come on guys. Dantley deserves it.
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Old 08-13-2007, 11:17 PM   #36
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Dantley is a strong choice but I think Dominique Wilkins deserves it as much or more than AD.
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Old 08-13-2007, 11:37 PM   #37
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T-mac all the way.
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Old 08-13-2007, 11:44 PM   #38
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Old 08-13-2007, 11:47 PM   #39
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Okay, if T-Mac is getting serious votes (), then Spree really needs to get more consideration. At least Spree has been out of the first round...on multiple occasions!

He's also tied with Ben Gordon for being 9/9 from 3 point land in a game. Has a family to feed. Etc, etc.

at T-Mac and Carter votes.
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Old 08-14-2007, 12:49 AM   #40
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Old 08-14-2007, 12:51 AM   #41
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Talent does not necessarily = greatness

Yea, just ask Shawn Kemp
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Old 08-14-2007, 12:55 AM   #42
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One person says McGrady, and now everybody is. Marvelous.
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Old 08-14-2007, 12:59 AM   #43
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Old 08-14-2007, 02:05 AM   #44
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Vince Carter should have been in the top 40 already.

Here is a list of players already on the list who Carter is much better than:



Bill Russell
Oscar Robertson
Jerry West
Elgin Baylor
Bob Pettit
John Havlicek
George Mikan
Elvin Hayes
Dave Cowens
Wes Unseld
Dolph Schayes
Bill Walton
Billy Cunningham

Carter couldn't lead water down a hill. These guys you have listed are leaders and winners.
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Old 08-14-2007, 11:15 AM   #45
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Its official. Basically no is taking the list seriously. No other explaination for Carter and T-mac get votes at #52. Kizzle you might as well end it at 50.
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