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Old 08-13-2007, 11:42 PM   #16
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If you're going to insult someone, at least possess more than first grade English skills.

It's "you're". As in "you are".

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"grovetd, you're an idiot."

Capitalization is also your friend.

As for my analysis, it's pretty spot on. When was the last time the Hawks had a winning season? Made the playoffs? It's the same old tune ever year: lots of young potential, but no real winning.

Not my fault the Hawks are terrible and will continue to be so until the team changes direction. Meaning: has owners who are actually interested in the team and aren't squabbling amongst themselves.

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Old 08-14-2007, 12:13 AM   #17
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As a Hawk fan, are you really thrilled with Law, or are you do you just think he was the best available? I thought they were in a tough spot this year, because to me they were right on the cusp. I really thought Horford was the third best player in the draft, and by a wide enough margin it would have been tough to reach for a need outside of him. But as a combo, I somehow felt I'd rather have had Conley and another big later on. I just really wasn't crazy about Law I guess.


It is sort of the Chris Paul vs. Deron Williams argument. Chris Paul was viewed as the best PG but had some deficiencies...mainly height. Deron as viewed as the second best pg but it was thought that he wasn't athletic enough and was kind of pudgy. Both of those players supposed shortcomings are really a non factor at this point. If you can play you can play...however

By drafting Horford the Hawks decided two things:

1. Conley's height and lack of shooting skills didn't fit into the Billy Knight's philosophy of having long athletic versatile players that can play multi positions. So that gave Law an advantage. Law being 6'3-6'4 allows him to play the 2 when we want to put the ball in JJ's hands...or if we play short guards like Speedy/Lue or Salim, he can guard the other team's 2.

2. Horford was the best big man available. BK probably felt (and I agree) that a Horford/Law combo maximized our picks if we decided not to trade them. A Horford/Law draft to me was better than a Conley/Thorton or Conley/Wright combination.

But it will be interesting to see how this will all transpire
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Old 08-14-2007, 12:29 AM   #18
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If you're going to insult someone, at least possess more than first grade English skills.

It's "you're". As in "you are".

Usage:

"grovetd, you're an idiot."

Capitalization is also your friend.

As for my analysis, it's pretty spot on. When was the last time the Hawks had a winning season? Made the playoffs? It's the same old tune ever year: lots of young potential, but no real winning.

Not my fault the Hawks are terrible and will continue to be so until the team changes direction. Meaning: has owners who are actually interested in the team and aren't squabbling amongst themselves.

sorry but i could care less about how i type on a ****in message board, not like im tryin to apply for a job here.

but UR(thats right spell it how i wanna) an idiot cuz you sayin stuff about a team you know nothing about...bring nique as the coach??? ****k outta here "optimus prime"....talk about 1st grade haha
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Old 08-14-2007, 12:51 AM   #19
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As for my analysis, it's pretty spot on. When was the last time the Hawks had a winning season? Made the playoffs? It's the same old tune ever year: lots of young potential, but no real winning.

They really haven't had good young potential for a long time, they've just been in disarray.

This time they actually DO have good young talent and made some good draft choices in recent years.

Marvin Williams is STILL only 21 and I think he'll still turn out really good (13.4 and 5 boards a game isn't too bad for his minutes), and Josh Smith is only 21 or 22, Horford is 21, and Pachulia is still 23. Even Joe Johnson is 26 or so.

While there are young stars in the NBA, the playoff teams are reserved for teams/guys that are much older.

I mean that starting line-up will average about 22-23 years old, which has to be one of the youngest in the league.
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Old 08-14-2007, 01:34 AM   #20
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PG: Speedy/Law/Lue/AJ
SG: Joe Johnson/J. Childress/Salim Stoudamire
SF: Marvin Williams/Josh Childress
PF: Josh Smith/Al Horford/Shelden Williams
C: Zaza Pachulia/Shelden Williams/Horford/Solo Jones

If they are going to play Josh Smith at the 4 why the hell would they draft Shelden Williams and then Al Harford?
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Old 08-14-2007, 01:48 AM   #21
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If they are going to play Josh Smith at the 4 why the hell would they draft Shelden Williams and then Al Harford?

Its called depth dude. Besides with Hibbert going back to school the Hawks were put into a predicament where they couldn't draft a true need player at center...therefore they picked the next best thing in Horford who is a hybrid 4-5 in the mold of an Amare.
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Old 08-14-2007, 01:48 AM   #22
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If they are going to play Josh Smith at the 4 why the hell would they draft Shelden Williams and then Al Harford?

Its called depth dude. Besides with Hibbert going back to school the Hawks were put into a predicament where they couldn't draft a true need player at center...therefore they picked the next best thing in Horford who is a hybrid 4-5 in the mold of an Amare.
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Old 08-14-2007, 02:50 AM   #23
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If the real Shelden Williams is the one I saw in the final 10 games of the season playing like a young Karl Malone then the PF position is his to lose

*vomits*

Guy is nowhere near the type of player Malone is. Watch old tape of a young Malone getting up and down the floor, and how athletic he was. Stupid comparison seeing yopu have a very comparable player to a young Mailman on your team in Al Horford. Shelden Williams looks like a bust. Maybe Sharone Wright volume 2?

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Williams is a bit more mechanical and less agile, more of a defensive presence. Not really seeing too much similarity, there... but.. OK

I totally agree. Williams will be traded within a couple of years.
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Old 08-14-2007, 11:06 AM   #24
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It is sort of the Chris Paul vs. Deron Williams argument. Chris Paul was viewed as the best PG but had some deficiencies...mainly height. Deron as viewed as the second best pg but it was thought that he wasn't athletic enough and was kind of pudgy. Both of those players supposed shortcomings are really a non factor at this point. If you can play you can play...however

By drafting Horford the Hawks decided two things:

1. Conley's height and lack of shooting skills didn't fit into the Billy Knight's philosophy of having long athletic versatile players that can play multi positions. So that gave Law an advantage. Law being 6'3-6'4 allows him to play the 2 when we want to put the ball in JJ's hands...or if we play short guards like Speedy/Lue or Salim, he can guard the other team's 2.

2. Horford was the best big man available. BK probably felt (and I agree) that a Horford/Law combo maximized our picks if we decided not to trade them. A Horford/Law draft to me was better than a Conley/Thorton or Conley/Wright combination.

But it will be interesting to see how this will all transpire


That's seems pretty reasonable. My thing is that I really liked Deron Williams coming out. In fact, I liked him better than Paul. I'm not really seeing the Law/Williams connection. Law does have a bit extra size, but he's always seemed more shooter than anything else, where Williams is real pure PG. I do feel like Horford was not only the best big available, but the best player available at three by a pretty wide margin. Probably too wide to select anyone else. But I really did like the idea of Conley's speed with the rest of the Hawks young athletes. Personally, I liked the idea of Josh Smith and Marvin logging minutes at the three and four together, along with Horford at five, and Joe at SG. With Conley pushing the ball surrounded by those guys, you'd have a tempo for 15 minutes a game that matches just about anyone in the league. I know a lot of people don't like the idea of Smith at PF, but I think it could work, especially with better rebounders at the 2 and 3.
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Old 08-14-2007, 01:28 PM   #25
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The Hawks Need A Center Like Brad Miller They Should Trade Marvin Willimas Pachulia And Anthony Johnson For Brad Miller.
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Old 08-14-2007, 01:38 PM   #26
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I really like Horford, but I'm not crazy about Law. He's not really all that athletic, and he's pretty close to bad defensively. He only put up a steal a game last year, and no blocks, along with a less then huge rebound rate. And his five assists are OK, but he also turned the ball over two and a half times a game last year.

It's not like I think the guy is going to be terrible, it's just that he could be one of those guys that is just good enough that you think your set at that spot, and it takes about 4 years to realize maybe you need an upgrade. Those guys can kill a team worst then a bust. At least a bust you can start a recouperation plan pretty quick.

I admit he's not all that great defensively after Sosa (on louisville) pretty much KILLED the aggies in the 2nd round last year. He got by Law so much so his lateral defense definitely needs some help.

Acie Law is a guard so I dont see why hes supposed to get blocks.

Acie Law WAS the aTm offense last year. This was the plan: give Acie Law the ball and let him score and sometimes pass it off to AK and Joseph Jones in the post or hit Josh Carter for three. The other player was usually a defensive specialist so he never got the ball. That might explain the 2 and a half TO per game stat.

As for the 2nd paragraph, that isnt a bad judgement but I think Law can do alright. He can take the clutch shots and has street hunger.

He got some good stats in the summer league and from what I read about him, he acted as a leader in practice and on the court.
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Old 08-14-2007, 03:44 PM   #27
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I admit he's not all that great defensively after Sosa (on louisville) pretty much KILLED the aggies in the 2nd round last year. He got by Law so much so his lateral defense definitely needs some help.

Acie Law is a guard so I dont see why hes supposed to get blocks.

Acie Law WAS the aTm offense last year. This was the plan: give Acie Law the ball and let him score and sometimes pass it off to AK and Joseph Jones in the post or hit Josh Carter for three. The other player was usually a defensive specialist so he never got the ball. That might explain the 2 and a half TO per game stat.

As for the 2nd paragraph, that isnt a bad judgement but I think Law can do alright. He can take the clutch shots and has street hunger.

He got some good stats in the summer league and from what I read about him, he acted as a leader in practice and on the court.


I'm not expecting him to lead the league in blocks or anything, but blocks from college guards are usually a good indicator of overall athleticism, along with rebound rate, which he also wasn't great at. Although if he is a legit 6-4, that can make up for it a little bit.

And the thing with him being the entire A&M offense worries me too. He's always struck me as very ball dominant, which isn't really what a team with a versatile SG like JJ needs. I've always felt that Gillespie was new to the team, they were coming off of an awful run, and it seemed like he was trying to establish himself, and if it meant letting a guy dominate his system, then that's what he'd do.

I'm not trying to crap on your guys' pick, I just wasn't sold on him. They got him at a spot where he had value though, and he fit a need. Like I said, I just get concerned about those almost good enough type guys that seem like they're too good to upgrade, but not good enough to win with. Conley's game has flaws too, but his speed seemed like too good a fit IMO.
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Old 08-14-2007, 03:50 PM   #28
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I said Shelden Williams's final 10 games he reminded me of a young Karl Malone,the rest of the season was ehhh

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Young meaning not a young Karl Malone(when he was 23-24) i meant younger version of Karl Malone

@ returnofjimi:
I should've also included,Play Speedy,LoWright,and Anthony Johnson 0 minutes this season and cut back on Lue's minutes:)
Smith is a PF only in that offensive set when Marvin Williams or Josh Childress plays SF
Acie Law was the best PG on the board,they didnt want to stretch for JaVarsity Crittenton or trade down and take Aaron Brooks

If I were Billy Knight on Draft Day:
I would've tried to work out a sign-and trade with Milwaukee for Mo Williams trading away the #3 Pick,#11 Pick and Speedy Claxton
PG problem SOLVED,rather than adding a need and a duplicate position in the draft
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Old 08-14-2007, 04:47 PM   #29
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The Hawks Need A Center Like Brad Miller They Should Trade Marvin Willimas Pachulia And Anthony Johnson For Brad Miller.
Really. I wonder what the Cs could get for Olowakandi? I'd settle for Marvin Williams, I suppose.
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