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Old 08-13-2007, 07:44 PM   #16
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Default Re: Pro Hockey Vs Pro Hoops: Why is Violence seen Differently?

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Who were you replying to?

Whoops. It was Par. The second half was just a rant that popped out though.
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Old 08-13-2007, 08:20 PM   #17
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Whoops. It was Par. The second half was just a rant that popped out though.


No one watches Hockey in the States really and no one watches Basketball in Canada.

Everyone watches Hockey in Canada so I guess it evens out becuz there's less NBA fans that there used to be...but arenas I think more of those are empty in teh NHL than the NBA.
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No one watches Hockey in the States really and no one watches Basketball in Canada.

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Old 08-13-2007, 08:29 PM   #19
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Default Re: Pro Hockey Vs Pro Hoops: Why is Violence seen Differently?

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There's at most 1-2 fights per game unless there's a brawl, which happens about 5 times per year.

If you're going to give your opinion, please base it on fact.

but the NBA doesn't have 1-2 fights per game and there is definitely not 5 brawls a year (not yet at least)...making it much more violent...and since he didn't specify a quantifiable amount for "much" i think this is all he was trying to say...
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No one watches Hockey in the States really and no one watches Basketball in Canada.
That's a pretty ignorant statement, considering how popular the sport is in the northern regions of the US. Other teams, like the San Jose sharks in California, have a huge fanbase in that area. Just because it doesn't have the following that basketball and football have, doesn't mean "no one watches hockey".
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Old 08-13-2007, 08:32 PM   #21
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You are all wrong...

there is only one reason they allow fighting in hockey and it is this:

THEY ARE WEARING SKATES!....DUH!

it is nearly impossable to any serious damage to someone if you are not able to put any weight behind your punch...the only real power they get is from grabbing the other guys jersey and pulling themselve into them...the worse case senerio is a broken nose, and even that is rare....the reason they lose thier teeth is from landing on the ice, not the fights.

they allow fighting in hockey because it is pretty much harmless...in the NBA that would be like an actual street fight....you could kill someone if you hit them with all your body weight and then decided to start stomping thier head into the court with your feet.....and careeers have ended due to fights in the NBA....that would never happen in the NHL.
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You are all wrong...

there is only one reason they allow fighting in hockey and it is this:

THEY ARE WEARING SKATES!....DUH!

it is nearly impossable to any serious damage to someone if you are not able to put any weight behind your punch...the only real power they get is from grabbing the other guys jersey and pulling themselve into them...the worse case senerio is a broken nose, and even that is rare....the reason they lose thier teeth is from landing on the ice, not the fights.

they allow fighting in hockey because it is pretty much harmless...in the NBA that would be like an actual street fight....you could kill someone if you hit them with all your body weight and then decided to start stomping thier head into the court with your feet.....and careeers have ended due to fights in the NBA....that would never happen in the NHL.

Familiar with Todd Bertuzzi?
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That's a pretty ignorant statement, considering how popular the sport is in the northern regions of the US. Other teams, like the San Jose sharks in California, have a huge fanbase in that area. Just because it doesn't have the following that basketball and football have, doesn't mean "no one watches hockey".

It's a generalization in this scale that's the only thing you can really do.

How many people live in Minnesota? The Raptors have ahuge fan base in teh GTA but in Ontario (the province Toronto is in) CURLING gets better ratings thatn Raptor games.....The sport of Hockey maybe popluar but there aren't many people watching NHL hockey on a national basis in the U.S that's just the facts...
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Old 08-13-2007, 08:49 PM   #24
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that was a check not a fight....right?
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Old 08-13-2007, 08:54 PM   #25
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Default Re: Pro Hockey Vs Pro Hoops: Why is Violence seen Differently?

Hockey = Boxing on ice
Even less people would watch that crap if there's no fighting. In terms of the most boring sports it's up there with baseball
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Old 08-13-2007, 08:54 PM   #26
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You are all wrong...

there is only one reason they allow fighting in hockey and it is this:

THEY ARE WEARING SKATES!....DUH!

it is nearly impossable to any serious damage to someone if you are not able to put any weight behind your punch...the only real power they get is from grabbing the other guys jersey and pulling themselve into them...the worse case senerio is a broken nose, and even that is rare....the reason they lose thier teeth is from landing on the ice, not the fights.

they allow fighting in hockey because it is pretty much harmless...in the NBA that would be like an actual street fight....you could kill someone if you hit them with all your body weight and then decided to start stomping thier head into the court with your feet.....and careeers have ended due to fights in the NBA....that would never happen in the NHL.

I really don't know if that's true or not. How many time have players been knocked out before they even hit the ice or because their head hit the ice after get knocked. How many times do you see the fighters skating to the bench with bloody faces. Those punches aren't weak. I think one difference are the fights are much more wild in basketball. In hockey you have 1 on 1. It's almost like an honourable thing to do like armies going to war before all of this technology came about. Two lines, load, fire, repeat. Even hockey brawls are usually 1 on 1.

Look at basketball brawls. Melo came out of nowhere and sucker punched a Jeffries and Smith tackled whoever in the stands. Tell me the last time that's happened in hockey.

Actually crazy brawls where people are trying to kill anyone in hockey are condemned. Any Canadian will remember in the Junior championships when Canada and the USSR got into that big brawl and both teams were kicked out of the tournament. True hockey fans appreciate the 1 on 1 fights, not the dangerous or dirty fights.

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That was a sucker punch though, and he drove his head into the ice after Moore was already unconscious. And like I said in my first post. He was condemned for that more than any black baller has.

As for one reason fighting in hockey is more accetpable. Hockey went from killing people with their sticks (literally) to what we see today. Basketball went from white kids dry humping each other to what we see today. You tell me which sport has gone in the right direction relative to where they were.


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BTW, if you combine the TV ratings from Canada with the US ratings, NHL does better than the NBA. Pathetic considering Canada only has 30 million people to the USAs 300 million. Don't whine and say thats not how TV rating work either. It perfectly legit to do this. When you see the totals for a movies domestic take, they combine the US and Canada. You may as well do that w/TV viewership.

His point is correct even though it has nothing to do with the arguement...although it would if someone brings up the common arguement that no one watches hockey so people don't care.

Remember when Cuban admitted that HNIC (hockey's version of Thursday's TNT double header) outdraws said TNT's double header. That's for all of NA.
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that was a check not a fight....right?

Well it was a punch from behind but refs allow them to go the the ice all the time ....the initial punch wouldn't do as much but one guy normally gets taken down and you could easily be hurt that way....

The media coverage has nothing to do with the fact these guys are on Skates...the way fans see fighting has nothing to do with guys being on skates and there have been guys using sticks and not coming to complete stops's before they start fighting the speed they move can easily increase the vector of a punch.

Overall while what you saying about planting you feet has merit it has nothing to do with why fights are allowed or how they are portrayed by the media.

It may have more to do with why originally they were allowed as a way to settle things in teh sport but there weren't many 220 lbs+ guys in the 6 team NHL
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Old 08-13-2007, 08:59 PM   #28
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I think one of the main reasons is simply the arenas themselves. NBA fans actually sit on the court, so any sort of altercation puts the fans in physical jeopardy moreso than in any other sport. As a result, the NBA has the strictest penalties against fighting.

As for Bertuzzi, he hit the guy from behind, which was widely villainized as a terrible cheap shot. It doesn't really apply to this discussion. That was more like Bowen's achilles kick, in that it happened during actual gameplay.
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Old 08-13-2007, 09:02 PM   #29
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name one person that has had a career ending injury due to a hockey fight....

you simply can not do any serious damage throwing a punch on skates...

seriously, the next time you are on skates or roller blades try and see if you can put any seriousl weight behind a punch....you can't or you will fall down.
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name one person that has had a career ending injury due to a hockey fight....

you simply can not do any serious damage throwing a punch on skates...

seriously, the next time you are on skates or roller blades try and see if you can put any seriousl weight behind a punch....you can't or you will fall down.

Yes you can if you have strong legs. Dig your skate into the ice, grab the other guy's shirt and launnch yourself.

To be honest, you have a better chance of injuring someone in a hockey fight because they go for that killer punch. Most bball fights look more like cat fights. The Washington incident doesn't count cause that wasn't a fight, that was a cheap shot.
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